April 12, 2009

Photos from Mississippi River Blvd

Dan Zamlen has now been missing for over a week. He did not come home for his 19th birthday, and he did not make it home for Easter. I went out walking on Mississippi River Boulevard this weekend because I felt the need to do something. Although the search has been called off, I saw many St. Thomas students and other people like myself who were out hoping to find him. I have posted some photos and a description of the area. (Click on the photos to enlarge.)


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The area is a quiet upper middle- to upper class residential neighborhood with many large homes. It is within walking distance to St. Thomas University and Byrne residential hall. There were annual parking restrictions in effect on St. Claire Avenue, so we parked two blocks over on Princeton Avenue. You could see St. Thomas University, which was facing the river (to the right of our car, also facing the river).

From our car, we walked across the street to Mississippi River Blvd., and turned right (the direction of the University of Minnesota where Dan had said he was intending to walk).

The path along the river is a concrete sidewalk used for both pedestrians and bicycles. To the right was a patch of grass and then the street. To the left was 5-10 feet of grass (it narrowed in some places) then a gradually sloping hillside with some brush and trees.

There are places along the hill down to the river where the incline is more steep, but it seems that you would have quite a bit of warning before you got to the edge. There was a small scenic overlook with a railing in one area where the hill became more steep.

If you continue following the sidewalk, the residential halls for the University are on the right side ofthe street, followed by a couple of University buildings. Near Byrne Hall, you cross a small stone bridge with a culvert underneath leading to the river.




Continuing down the sidewalk, the path looks much like the photos above, with a gradual slope. Then you come to a small park with a statue. The statue has a round marble area surrounding it and an inscription on the base memorializing the losses of St. Paul and Ramsey County in World War I.

Beyond the statue to the left, there is an outcropping of rock--the only place I could see where it would be possible to fall direcly into the river.

Many people were sitting on the rocks.


If you leave the rock area, turning right, there is a steep embankment with a creek underneath. You could hear the creek. There were paths going down there, but they were steep and would require a good pair of hiking boots.

Looking to the right of the creek, was the street. The photo of the unicycle is looking back in the direction of our car.


We continued down the path, walking to Cretin Avenue before turning around. The whole walk was .6 miles. The last two pictures are on the way back to the car, just before we reached the park.

A reader also sent me more photos of the area that she took over the weekend of 4/19.











244 comments:

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Anonymous said...

Any news of finding his cell phone or if they asked for the court order to trace it?

BoyintheMachine said...

One of the things we have to consider is suicide. I know nobody wants to think like that, but if he got into an arguement at the part, and then left, walking to the river, it's possible.

His call to Anna could have been a call for help.

I know the argument was trivial, but when one has been drinking, trivial things can set people off.

Of course suicide isn't the only option. As far as I can tell here are the options. Many people swear that they can rule out things but I think such talk is pointless there is no evidence to suggest the ruling out of any option at this time.

(In no particuliar order)

1.) Suicide
2.) Accidental fall into the river
3.) Abduction
4.) Ran away

Any of the above is possible and there is just no way to determime what possibility is more likely.

Those people who continue to insist upon the smiley face killers theory are doing a great disservice to this particuliar case.

Anonymous said...

In response to Yelloh-

yellow-1.org?

Anonymous said...

How do you get a .org for a symbol like that? What is it?

dumb and dumber

Anonymous said...

THE YELLOH GRAFITTI WITH A SMILEY FACE IN THE "O"




I have heard it mentioned that some people believe the smiley face gang are watching websites. There is a new website gone up recently that is watching these cases, they have a map of the locations spots of the drownings/missing persons.
The map is made up of yellow dots.
Maybe the killers have seen the website with the yellow dots map location, maybe they are happay about the map and feel it makes them important and just maybe they wanted to include reference to their map and the "yellow" dots that are making up a picture of a mermaid who "lurs young men to their deaths in water"
by spraying the word YELLOH graffiti at the site of the latest missing person and putting a smiley face in the "O" The killers could be
spelling out a another taunting clue
THEY ARE ADDING TO THEIR YELLOW DOT MAP OF FAME AND PLAN THEIR NEXT VICTOM TO BE FROM OHIO "OH" ( 3 PREVIOUS already WERE)

HENCE THE PECULIAR SPELLING OF YELLOH

Anonymous said...

YELLOH.ORG http://www.yelloh.org/
I ALSO FOUND THIS
it is the site of the OHIO branch of the church of the nazerene christian youth outreach organisation.
The killers could also be aware of this
NW OHIO
NW Ohio Nazarene Youth
©2004 - 2009 NW Ohio Nazarene Youth - All Rights Reserved. Powered by the NetMinistry Website Platform.

again we see the ohio connection

Anonymous said...

INCIDENTLY THERE IS A CONNECTION TO ohio the name zamlen and pearl
via a business
THIS COULD BE THE WAY THE GANG CHOOSE THEIR NEXT VICTIMS
http://www.allbusiness.com/companyprofile/8020_Zamlen_Llc/18890F6567C4B9BE52598E6634D2E473-1.html
8020 Zamlen Llc. 8020 Pearl Rd. Cleveland, Ohio 44136-1632

BoyintheMachine said...

Here's just a thought, perhaps the graffiti had nothing to do with Dan Zamlen's dissappearance?

After all, he hasn't even been found yet!

Man, some people will take anything and run with it, to extreme!

Anonymous said...

ANOTHER POSSIBLE CONNECTION THEY MAY USE TO MOVE ONTO OHIO AGAIN next


This fortuitous journey through Ohio University history inspired Hart. With Ohio University's Bicentennial on the horizon, a CD of University-related songs could be a hit. "I thought, 'Gee, we should do this for our birthday,'" Hart says. "Let's celebrate and to celebrate, you have to have music."

Soon after her epiphany, Hart discovered a rich musical history at the University. Mary Elizabeth Lasher Myers, BSJ '42, pointed Hart in the direction of "The Campus is Lonely Tonight," a poignant number written by Helen Townsend Corns - with music by Ernie Mariani - in 1941 about University men leaving campus after the attack on Pearl Harbor. Other noteworthy finds included a University songbook from 1938

http://www.ohio.edu/infocus/bicentennialcd/
A PEARL CONNECTION

Anonymous said...

http://www.marshallindependent.com/page/content.detail/id/508831.html This will be helpful in the Zamlen case I think. I hope they will apply it. Brandon's Law will extend the missing search to ages above 18. Young adults will be looked for as children are. Untie the hands of LE.

Anonymous said...

Blogger BoyintheMachine said...

Here's just a thought, perhaps the graffiti had nothing to do with Dan Zamlen's dissappearance?

After all, he hasn't even been found yet!

Man, some people will take anything and run with it, to extreme!

maybe maybe not
but surely it would be better to look into these things especcially if as i have shown they could be pointing to the next place they plan to strike namely OHIO
this could help people be extra vigilant if we put out the information warning students in the OHIO STATE

Anonymous said...

Jason-what is the symbol at yellow-1.org? You know this stuff because I remember you talking about it at SFK. What does it represent? anything?

Anonymous said...

another obama connection
question
what i yellow.org

Best Answer - Chosen by Voters
Hi :) I'm an agent and I think that's just the way they want it. You can get a lot more information by emailing them directly or talking to someone, but really it's all a bit obscure. The most anyone can say is that Yellow One is an agent of change.
Source(s):
www.yellow-1.org
forum.yellow-1.org
CHANGE LINCOLN LA RAZA

Anonymous said...

the y symbol could be a occultic rune symbol to do with the ash tree
BUT IT WAS NOT SPELT YELLOW IT WAS YELLOH
ITS POINTING TO OH
OHIO

http://epistemic-forms.com/R-futhark.jpg

BoyintheMachine said...

Att: Anonymous

"Jason-what is the symbol at yellow-1.org? You know this stuff because I remember you talking about it at SFK. What does it represent? anything?"

I just visited the site and I have no idea what it is. I have never discussed it before.

There is also nothing at that website other than that symbol. Strange, but it could be anything.

Anonymous said...

concerning the y symbol


http://epistemic-forms.com/R-algiz.jpg
Algiz, Z
Algiz is a rune of protection or defense

BUT AS I SAID THE GRAFFITI WAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WORD YELLOW AS USUALLY SPELT ONLY IN REGARDS TO THE YELLOW MAP POINTS ON THE SMILEY KILLER MAP
IT IS POINTING TO OH - OHIO

BoyintheMachine said...

There are far too many people posting 'anonymously'.

Please sign in and use an identity.

Don't use the excuse of not wanting to sign up because this site uses google identities and I know that many to most online users have them.

BoyintheMachine said...

1.) At this point there is no connection to Dan Zamlen and the graffit.

2.) At this point there is no connection ot Dan Zamlen and the smiley face killers.

3.) At this point the symbol at yellow-1.org has nothing to do with anything about Dan Zamlen or the smiley face killers.

4.) The symbol at yellow-1.org is NOT a runic symbol. It's definately NOT algaz, a norse rune, which you can view here:

http://www.northvegr.org/lore/runes/oldnorse/algaz.gif

Anonymous said...

RE the name Dan Zamlen

The word Zemlan is found in this collection of folk tales from around the world it a yiddish word i think
could be of relevence to the motive if there is any

http://books.google.com/books?id=ip3R7QLbql4C&pg=PA476&lpg=PA476&dq=Zamlen+mythology&source=bl&ots=cKa7nKsxgK&sig=O2ki87b7lM2-i3UyMC7vyPIRJ-I&hl=en&ei=E77jSf3CCZXktAOu_7y9CQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2

Anonymous said...

anonymous says
i prefer to remain as i am thankyou.

Anonymous said...

The yellow has been there for a while i run by the monument sometimes and ive seen it before. just some kids writing the color they are writing in in a cool way. stop making ridiculous connections to ohio

Anonymous said...

compare this
http://surfdete.ipower.com/smileyface/newusmap3.jpg

with this
http://www.elfwood.com/~jessvdale/Reclining_Mermaid.2849048.html

or this

http://www.magickmermaid.com/scan066.jpg


http://fineartamerica.com/images-medium/reclining-mermaid-joni-mcpherson.jpg

Anonymous said...

Mermaids were responsible for luring young men to their death by drowning.


It is key that in the myth Young men was always part of the mythos.

Anonymous said...

If the map is making out a picture of a mermaid then i think the killings will go more southern toward virginia before the picture is completed

Anonymous said...

first commenter:

not that i've read. it is my understanding that the GPS only works if the phone is on. around 6 am the phone went straight to voicemail (indicating the battery likely was out). police weren't called until 8 am, and they wouldn't have been able to track the GPS anyways until hours later because of the whole adult law/needing a court order thing. however, i don't know enough about cell phones and technology to know if at this point they can go back and see if there is a GPS record for the hours between 3-6 am. i have no idea if there even is such a possiblity. maybe someone else here will know more about how iphones work. i'm pretty technology-dumb, heh.

Lisa said...

re: "Yelloh" graffiti

Please note, there was a great deal of graffiti all around this area. This was the only thing I found remotely resembling a smiley face. Just because it is there, does not mean it is anything of value. Anyone could have written it. It is right out in the open, too, so other people surely would have noticed it if it was a clue. If you look at the photos of the sfkiller graffiti, it does not look alike. But I felt I needed to include it with my photos in order to report a fair assessment of what I found.

I am now rethinking this. I think perhaps this photograph is sidetracking people, and it was a bit premature of me to post it. I have removed it and will send it to the investigators to see if they make anything out of it.

Curious said...

Thanks Lisa! Apparently Anonymous 5:54 is from that area and had it seen it before Dan's disappearance. Hopefully it's not connected to what may have happened to Dan.

Anonymous said...

Actually, the police were called at 3am but did not start actively searching until later on Sunday afternoon. Also, with regards to his phone, because he is over 18 his parents had to get a court order to try to trace his phone. By the time this had gone through, the battery had died.

BoyintheMachine said...

What happened to the comments that were deleted?

Anonymous said...

RE comments deleted--are you on the wrong thread?


In researching Yelloh we came up with this site having a gathering of youngsters in Ohio, fearing the lose of other young people.

I would never send my children to a summer camp. Not these days.

Anyway this http://conyi.org/site/cpage.asp?cpage_id=140005376&sec_id=140001948 will be going on in Ohio soon.

Anonymous said...

anonymous at 8:00-

hm, do you go to UST and/or know his friends? all media reports say the police were called at 8am...so did they get it wrong? were the police called right away at 3am after Anna had talked to him?

Anonymous said...

OK-SO THE NEWEST REGISTERED USER OF FORUM.YELLOW-1.COM IS BOYINTHEMACHINE.

WHATS GOING ON IN THERE JASON?

BoyintheMachine said...

Att: Anonymous

"OK-SO THE NEWEST REGISTERED USER OF FORUM.YELLOW-1.COM IS BOYINTHEMACHINE.

WHATS GOING ON IN THERE JASON?"

Yeah, I looked around for awhile and it looks like some sort of viral thing.

I have no idea what the point of it is.

Feel free to join and try to figure out for yourself. I should state that there's nothing there that would signify some link to these deaths.

Also, I think I'm through replying to 'anonymous' comments.

Curious said...

Judging from the pics it's hard to understand how he slipped into the river - if he did in fact fall. It was exactly like the Anonymous poster had stated - it would be hard to fall without disturbing some of the brush. I don't know what to make of it all. Unless he was on the rocks? But the last scent was picked up in street right?

Anonymous said...

The Franciscan University of Steubenville located in Ohio has a Catholic youth conference at St. Thomas most years in the summer. It lasts a few days during the week and many students explore the area during that time. Perhaps the graffiti is from their visits?

Anonymous said...

lol at boyinthe-WASHINGMACHINE

he's castigating others for looking at possible evidence then he goes and joins the forum for that totally unrelated
yellow.ORG

IT'S "YELLOH"

CANT YOU READ?

Anonymous said...

the word YELLOH does sound like it could have been mocking
as in someone is yellow
cowardly
or they were a yeller as in making a noise etc

Anonymous said...

Thanks for looking Jason-I like being anonymous. Why would it have a .org address. It is about the military.

Anonymous said...

i read in the sfk site that what Dan said on the phone was OH MY GOD ME WHERE ARE YOU, HELP?
It seems to me this could have been addressed to God.
And if he had only just phoned his girlfriend and according to this blog

He said he was headed to the University of Minnesota to meet some friends and was talking to friend Anna Chappuis on his cell phone who said she would pick him up. It was 2:30 a.m., and although she does not remember word for word what he said, Chappuis says she remembers hearing, "Oh my God. Help." before the call ended abruptly

He could have hardly expected her to be their as soon as he had phoned her So who was he adressing the WHERE ARE YOU too other than God.?

Lisa said...

Curious,

I had the same reaction.

To slip and fall in the river: you would have to walk 5-10 feet to the edge (I don't know why anyone would do that in the dark), and if you slipped, you would slide or roll down the hill, running into brush and trees on the way down. And at the bottom, there would be a thin riverbank before the water. He most certainly would have been found by the infared or by a search party. Students at St. Thomas have launched a massive search and have been out every day. We saw students walking down the hill looking for Dan.

I am sure that the culvert under the bridge and also the creek bed near the statue would have been thoroughly searched. It is my understanding that dogs were brought out. We also saw people out walking along the opposite bank of the river.

He could have fallen into the river from the rocks, but the Ford lock and dam is a mile or less downstream from there.

After walking through the area, I keep coming back to the conclusion that Dan is just not there.

The mystery is where he is.

Anonymous said...

To the commenter that suggested a Franciscan student left grafitti of a NYI religious nature. Ya think? yelloh? Are there NYI infiltrations in the catholic schools and churches now?

Anonymous said...

I was the anonymous poster at 8:00--
I do not go to UST but I have gotten this info from a very reliable source. There is a lot of stuff the media has wrong, such as when they said that the search was called off. The volunteer team has been working around the clock since he disappeared and in coordination with the police last week. Also, all reports that say he said he was slipping are incorrect.

Anonymous said...

There is a YELLOW connection

to another as yet missing person
Brandon Swanson

Brandon had been walking in the early morning of May 14 and have searched the nearby Yellow Medicine River by foot and in boats. “He was on the phone with his parents for one time at 45 minutes, explaining to them he was walking,” Lyon County Sherriff Joel Dahl says. The best the searchers can do is assume Swanson was walking toward Taunton.

And i know the graffiti is now known to have been placed there before Dan went missing but was it there before Brandon went missing ?

Last Seen: 05/13/08 in Canby, MN. His car was found near Taunton, MN.

The killers could stake out places way beofre they actually use them and could have put the graffiti there ready for the next piece of their puzzle game.

Anonymous said...

or instead of a cry of "God where are you"
in the sense he felt his life wasnt as it should be

he could have been crying for God's imediate help because he was in peril.


Police in St. Paul, MN are calling off the search for Dan Zamlen and are now questioning the validity of Zamlen’s final phone call. According to the young woman who Zamlen was talking with, Zamlen’s last words were, “Oh, my God. Where are you? Help.” Since that call in the early hours of April 5, there has been no sign of Zamlen or his cell phone.

According to the Star Tribune, St. Paul Police spokesman Pete Panos said, “We found nothing to support what she thought she heard on the phone.” Panos said there is no evidence of foul play. So without any new leads, police are ending the search for the 19-year-old college freshman. His parents are not giving up and are refusing to return to their home in Eveleth until they find Dan.

Anonymous said...

this is interesting

YELLOH MEDICINE COUNTY

CONNECTS TO YELLOW MEDICINE RIVER
see yellow connection above.

I WONDER IF THAT WAY OF SPELLING IT
YELLOH IS THE ORIGINAL NATIVE INDIAN PREFERED SPELLING?

UNDER STATES OF MINNESOTA
http://www.cfboard.state.mn.us/campfin/Summary/CFSM_85.pdf
YelloH Medicine County IR. Chippewa County IR. Bonnie Brand. Teresa Kanratl. Alan Kasrath. Eail Flieder. Paul Kaarath. Redwood Cty 1 it Subtotal *i ...

Anonymous said...

html version of yelloh
medicine country link

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:1Stg0nR4WwQJ:www.cfboard.state.mn.us/campfin/Summary/CFSM_85.pdf+yelloh+medicine&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Curious said...

Lisa,

I think you're right. If were in the water I think they would have found him by now. I honestly don't know what to make of it. The only other plausible explanation would be that he was abducted.

Anonymous said...

Again i had a thought on the topic of what Dan said

I think its overly dramamtic enough to be the result of a drug effect, he could have suddenyl started halucinating or something
he could have been dropped a drug in other words and it started taking affect

wasn't it also said that it was difficult to understand him on the phone?

Zamlen’s last words were, “Oh, my God. Where are you? Help.” Since that call in the early hours of April 5, there has been no sign of Zamlen or his cell phone.

Anonymous said...

According to the Star Tribune, St. Paul Police spokesman Pete Panos said, “We found nothing to support what she thought she heard on the phone.” Panos said there is no evidence of foul play. So without any new leads, police are ending the search for the 19-year-old college freshman. His parents are not giving up and are refusing to return to their home in Eveleth until they find Dan.
They found no evidence of foul play
why should there be?
there at the scene what do they expect to find blood?
no if he had been drugged he could have passed out like a light, at the moment of his OH MY GOD WHERE ARE YOU HELP ME.
and have been neatly and without struggle carried away.

Anonymous said...

i think he said omg just because he was drunk and feeling sick and wanted a ride home.


I got to St. thomas by the way and from people i have heard that he was SUPERRR wasted. yes he made a phone call coherently but people said he was trashed and could barely walk. (no i am not in his grade nor was at this party).

Also i do not think this is true, but i heard there have been 2 sightings of a person who looks just like dan not too far away by a school called St. Kates. rumors of course

Anonymous said...

it is me above^ also,

I see u are trying to connect yellow to smily face i really dont think this is true.

1. All smiley face graffiti has been found after a body has been. dan has not been found yet

2. The tag is on the railing by the monument this is substantial drunk walking distance from st. clair (3+ blocks).

3. suppose it was true why would it be drawn so far away and without a body yet. Police would obviously not see it as a connection. no publicity for the smk.


-686 (i will now use this to identify myself)

Anonymous said...

"1. All smiley face graffiti has been found after a body has been. dan has not been found yet"

Yes all smiley graffiti has been noticed after the body has been found BUT I have seen no proofby anyone that it was placed just after the person went missing or at the monent they went missing by the culprits. no evidence whatsoever and why should they place it ehre aftarwards WHY NOT BEFORE HAND?

Anonymous said...

2. The tag is on the railing by the monument this is substantial drunk walking distance from st. clair (3+ blocks).

3. suppose it was true why would it be drawn so far away and without a body yet. Police would obviously not see it as a connection. no publicity for the smk.


-686 (i will now use this to identify myself)

Well thats my point of linking it too the yellow river missing teen

the word yelloh was found at dans missing place and the other Brandon has still not been found.
THEY MAY BOTH NOT BE FOUND DROWNED AT ALL

Does anyone know what yellow medicine river means?
why is it called yellow medicine?

Anonymous said...

FOUND THE ANSWER
MYSELF ithough it must be a drug connection.!!!

the Pejuhutazizi Mission. This Indian name means Yellow Medicine, the name of the bitter root of the Moon­seed plant used by the Indians for medicinal purposes.
i wonder is it a potenet drug ? make you go uncoscious is it tracable etcetc?


Prior to 1850, Yellow Medicine, one of the historically important counties of Minnesota, was part of Redwood County and under federal jurisdiction as Indian territory. In 1852, Dr. Thomas Williamson, a medical missionary of the Presbyterian Church, established the Pejuhutazizi Mission. This Indian name means Yellow Medicine, the name of the bitter root of the Moon­seed plant used by the Indians for medicinal purposes. In 1854, Rev. Stephen R. Riggs, a Congregationalist, established the Hazel Creek Mission.

Anonymous said...

Its name is a translation of the Dakota name for the river, pajutazee, ("huta" meaning "root," "zi" meaning "yellow," and "kapi" meaning "they dig"),[citation needed] for the yellow root of the moonseed plant, which grows in vines along the river.[2

Anonymous said...

moonseed can cause poisoning!!

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/391436/moonseed
Main

any of three species of woody vines constituting the genus Menispermum of the family Menispermaceae (order Ranunculales). They occur in East Asia, eastern North America, and Mexico. The North American species, Canada moonseed, or yellow parilla (M. canadense), with lobed leaves and greenish-white flowers, bears black, grapelike fruit with crescent-shaped seeds. M. dauricum, from East Asia, and M. mexicanum, from Mexico, have similar properties. In particular, the seeds of all these species may cause a curare-like poisoning; one of the ingredients in curare comes from another member of Menispermaceae (Chondrodendron tomentosum).

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Anonymous said...

my goodness do ihave something here? makes sense all those symptoms look!!

Anonymous said...

wiki listing on moonseed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Menispermum

Menispermum (moonseed) is a small genus of deciduous climbing woody vines in the moonseed family (Menispermaceae). Plants in this genus have small dioecious flowers, and clusters of small grape-like drupes.[1] The name, moonseed , comes from the shape of the seed, which resembles a crescent moon. The word Menispermum is derived from the Greek words mene, meaning moon, and sperma meaning seed. The name is also applied to some other species in related genera (Cocculus).


There are only three species in the genus Menispermum. They are:

* Menispermum canadense (Canadian moonseed) - northeastern North America
* Menispermum dauricum (Asian moonseed) - northeastern Asia
* Menispermum mexicanum (Mexican moonseed) - Mexico



Uses

All parts of these plants are known to be poisonous. Children have been killed from eating the fruits.[2]

Asian Moonseed has been used to treat skin disorders, rheumatism,[3] and cervical cancer.[4] Canadian Moonseed has been used in herbal medicine as a tonic, laxative, dermatological aid, venereal aid, and diuretic.[5] Yellow Medicine County in Minnesota is named after one of this plant's common names.

Plants of this species are sometimes grown as ornamentals in gardens. Gardeners can propagate this plant from the division of runners or by seed.

FDA LISTING FOR MOONSSED A POISONOUS PLANT IN THE BACKGARDEN

http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~djw/pltx.cgi?QUERY=Menispermum+canadense

Anonymous said...

chinese make pill versions even though it can be poisonous and i bet is illegal as medicine in usa because of its poisoning danger i suppose if overdosed.


Patent Office: China (SIPO)

Title: Asiatic moonseed drop pills and preparation method thereof (show patents with similar title)


Document No: 200510062328

Application No: 200510062328

Application Date: 2005-12-30


Abstract
The invention relates to a dripping pill of subprostrate sophora root and process for preparation, wherein the medicament has the functions of heat clearing, detoxicating, dispelling wind, relieving pain, anti-inflammation and relieving sore-throat, which can be used for treating throat pain, acute pharyngitis and tonsillitis. The medicament is prepared from Chinese medicinal herb of subprostrate sophora root through extracting and mixing extractive with dripping pill base materials. The invention can achieve high bioavailability, better pharmaceutical stability, smaller volume, convenience in administration and carrying. The medicament also has the advantages of quicker disintegration and dissolution, higher dissolution, quick-speed medicine release, quick-speed effect, simple process for manufacturing, and low cost.

Anonymous said...

im sure there is a better way then some crappy river root seed. stop making stupid connections to things

Anonymous said...

this sounds wierd
also sounds like just the state a pervert would want somebody in


Slow pulse/Bradycardia

flacid muscle paraylisis
in other words loose not stiff -
movable in other words

+ General paralysis/General Paresis
+ Level of alertness maintained
+ Pupils fixed/dilated
+ Pupils non reactive

level of alertness maintained!

paraylised but fully aware!
sounds like that thing they made zombies out of

Anonymous said...

well people may not think it is relevent but i do
look at its affects
it doesnt just make someone asleep like a date drug
they are aware and movable eyes oipen but helpless.

Anonymous said...

have their been referecnes to moons or half moons in particule?
as the plant that causes this aware flexible eyes wide open paralyisis
the yelloh plant is named after the half moon fruit of the moon seed

Anonymous said...

can anyone make head or tail of what this site is

i found it by doing a search for moonseed and smiley face

http://pages.cs.wisc.edu/~o-laughl/march06playability

materialeesta said...

Woah. I haven't been on this site in a while.... lots of updates.

yellow-1.org is a sister site OR (more likely) a rival / copy cat to neurocam.com.

there used to be a really weird video on the website.

Now the main page only consists of their symbol. After they changed their site a while back ago, it used to say:

Samuel: Did they at least follow up?
Agent9: You can say they've been dealing with some issues.
Agent9: It was a huge amount of data.
Samuel: So what does that mean anyway?
Agent9: You just want me to tell you what you're thinking.
Samuel: Well if it's true..
Agent9: It's just change, Sam, get used to it.
Agent9: Anyway, Mr. Holding expects your report no later than Tuesday.
Agent9: Maybe you'll find your place here after all.

It still says all this (encrypted?) if you view the web page's source.

I have NO idea what yellow-1.org is. I've been researching them for months.

Neurocam is a supposed secret art society that sprung out of Melbourne. Very. Weird. Stuff. Their archives have only recently been hidden to the public - member will tell you thought that real archives online never existed.

I don't know if it connects... they're just weird on their own.

Anonymous said...

Subject: Cullen
I am still a little numb. We almost lost Cullen early Sunday morning. It
all started Saturday night. He and Ryan Larson went off to LaCrosse to hit
the bars with Jay Hoffland. Cullen drove and they planned to spend the
night with Jay. At 1:30 they were all at John's Bar. And at bar time
Cullen was no where to be seen. Ryan and Jay were up until 5:30 trying to
find him. Cullen resurfaced at 7:00 AM at the emergency room of Gundersen
Lutheran. He remembers being in John's Bar. And the next thing he
remembers is being in the water. We are talking the Mississippi River!!
He fought his way out of the river and collapsed on the rocks. He probably
laid there for several hours. No jacket or shoes, which he probably lost
in the river. He awoke to the sounds of cars. He ran towards the noise.
Then he saw a sign for Gundersen Lutheran and ran in his socks to the
emergency room. They took very good care of Cullen. He volunteered to
give a blood and urine sample. He felt he had nothing to hide. So on
Sunday I am thinking he had had way too much to drink and I was upset for
several reasons. Well, the blood alcohol came back Monday. Cullen was not
drunk. His blood alcohol was .04. Yet Cullen can not recall anything from
1:30 AM until waking up in the river. What did someone put in Cullen's
drink? The urinalysis has not come back yet. Cullen has scrapes and
bruises and he is very sore. I don't think he realizes that he almost
died. And I don't think he realizes that someone almost killed him!
Cullen and Tom will be meeting with the LaCrosse police this PM. Cullen
some how managed to get out of the river. And I think the fact that he was
not drunk was a factor. Suddenly I am asking myself "What was the last bar
that some of the other young man were in before they drowned in the river?"
I am taking Cullen to the doctor today. He may have become infected with
some kind of bacteria. At night I just lay in bed and see him laying on
the rocks. Wet. I guess we are very lucky that he is alive. And yet I am
so angry that there is a person out there who almost killed my son. Do you
think they will ever find this person? I do know that John's Bar is under
surveillance. Just what that means I am not sure. Maybe they do a drive
by every other hour! Hopefully Cullen will feel better tomorrow. I think
I am still in shock. How could this have happened? Again, we are very,
very LUCKY!!

MK



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#2 01-14-2006, 12:25 AM
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La Crosse police continue to look into how a 21-year-old Viroqua man ended up in the Mississippi River.

Cullen Fortney, who is a UW-Madison student, says he found himself in the river early Sunday morning after a night of drinking in downtown La Crosse with friends. Fortney has no recollection on how he got there.

Fortney's friends last saw him around 1:30 Sunday morning. The next time he appeared was on security footage from a parking lot at Gundersen Lutheran Medical Center. That was five-and-a-half hours later.

He told hospital staff he pulled himself out of the river nearby, after being in for 15-minutes or so. But, he said he didn't remember how or when he got into the water.

Fortney still had his wallet and keys, but was missing his shoes and cell phone.

Police may now be investigating a missing vehicle along with the case. One of Fortney's friends told police he parked his pickup truck downtown before going to the bars Saturday night.

That friend turned up at Gundersen Lutheran on Sunday morning, as well. He was passed out in the lobby. He told police he doesn't know how he got there and his truck has disappeared.

In the past seven years, seven college-aged students have drowned in the Mississippi River after drinking in downtown La Crosse.
(cut and pasted )

Anonymous said...

Neurocam.com is INSANE I hope the FBI knows about it. Who would sign up with such freaks. Suicidal/Homicidal sociopaths. Sadomasochists?

CraPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!

materialeesta said...

yea, they SEEM insane. i'm really, really creeped out, i recently just sorta called neurocam out (though didn't name them specifically) on the video post at sfkillers.com, and then i come here to find yellow-1.org being mentioned and discussed..

materialeesta said...

Also, thats an interesting point you made on the moon seed - Angel Trumpet's, also night time bloomers and also of the Datura species, are known to cause massive disorientation and hallucinations. Erowid has some postings of recreational users who claim to have blacked out for a period of up to three days. Though I don't know how discretely one can dose it out to an unsuspecting victim and if it would appear in a post mortem toxicology ? ? ? ? ? ?

Curious said...

This doesn't really relate to this thread since this thread is about Dan Zamlen but I did find an article about Neurocam:

http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2004/12/17/1102787276356.html?from=top5

That really was an odd site. Again, I really don't think it has any bearing on anything relating to Dan Zamlen but I checked it out of curiosity. Very strange stuff.

Curious said...

Lisa, if I email you at the Footprints address will you receive it? I tried earlier but I don't think you received it.

Curious said...

Okay I found a blog where people actually joined Neurocam. It's just a gaming site - or a type ARG even though they claim not to be that. They are not into anything illegal - at least they claim they are not and do not ask any of the participants to engage in illegal activities. But who knows for sure since anything is possible.

Okay, last post about that. I'll try not to stray off topic again.

Anonymous said...

Curious, I know you don't consider yellow-1.org relevant here but I just have to know how they get to use .org. Do you or anyone else entertain any theories? I didn't go into the forums but Boyinthemachine did. If they are non profit, then what about them makes them able to afford to exist? I realize we got waay off topic with yelloh, yellow, and moonseeds. There were some funny posts about that on GLP about being lead to a Goatman site with pictures of a big dude in a sweaty yellow T. The sweat formed a crude smiley face. I laughed uncontrollably for 5 minutes. I needed it.

materialeesta said...

anyone can use .org, its not restricted. it's .edu and .gov that are restricted to agencies and organizations

Anonymous said...

Taking the bait-this isn't funny. Watch the pretty lady tell us about ARG.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX_ZJkwvKR8

Curious said...

Hi Anon 9:56 :)

I did some research and that Yellow-1.org site was a forum created for the gamers/participants connected to Neurocam.com. Basically new recruits to the games would communicate with senior members (which they call Operatives) with any questions they would have about the game, assignments, etc. It was started by one of the senior members. That yellow-1.org site is closed now and it was moved to another site. The .org is just a domain name. Anyone can register for a .org domain address - there are no requirements for registration. Here is a link describing this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.org

In any case, the Yellow-1.com and Neurocam.com are nothing more than harmless alternate reality gaming. It was apparently started by some Artist and it is based out of Australia. It gained popularity and has now branched out internationally - mainly due to the obscurity and mystery of the site. The organization also posted a huge billboard somewhere in Australia that generated tons of interest. An article written about the mystery of the "organization" also spurred huge interest and caused more people to join. Here is the blog I found where members discuss the registration process and the various "assignments" they have to perform in the game:

http://forums.unfiction.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=8372&start=105

Anyway, I hope this helps. :) Again, it's harmless and the sites have nothing to do with any disappearances.

Curious said...

To Anon 10:20:

That is all part of the game/creative process. It's nothing more than that. Gamers love it because it's very different from all other ARG's. Read the comments below the video and the heading which is:

Participative drama series with Swedish Television, 2007. Interactive Emmy award winner 2008, by The International Academy of Television Arts and Sciences.

materialeesta said...

I'm sorry.... but I just don't buy your theory that it's 'harmless' based on, what, 1 day of researching and googling?

Curious said...

To materialeesta:

You don't have to believe anything. Feel free to believe what you like. I only reported what I found and what I myself believe. You are free to think for yourself and do your own research.

BoyintheMachine said...

ARG's like RPG's are harmless save for the people who can't distinguish reality from fantasy.

(This means that a lot of people into the sfk theory should stay away from such! LOL -j.k.)

Seriously though, let's stop the moonseed, yelloh, and yellow-1.org nonsense. None of it has anything to do with Dan Zamlen's disappearance.

Lisa said...

Anonymous:

The e-mail circulating that you cut and pasted about Cullen Fortney was circulated widely after his incident. The police say it contains many factual errors, including his blood alcohol level
(0.163 not .043). It is thought that this e-mail could be a hoax.

Lisa said...

Curious,

Yes, you can e-mail me at footprints.blogmail@yahoo.com, and I will get it. I also have it set up so that I get e-mailed whenever anyone leaves a comment. But for direct questions to me, please e-mail. Thanks!

Lisa

Anonymous said...

http://footprintsattheriversedge.blogspot.com/2006/01/010806-very-close-call-la-crosse-wi.html

Go here. See Boyinthemachine debunking.

Why? This Case could very well have been used for evidence by LE and private investigators. Why get exercised about something being a hoax. What exactly is the HOAX? Anyone have a clue. Maybe everything here is a hoax and its all an Alternative Reality Game. I'm beginning to think so.

BoyintheMachine said...

Att: Anonymous at 4:35

Aparantly you can't tell the difference from being fair and balanced, i.e. critical thinking from being a 'debunker'.

So we should just accept every single claim without evidence?

Why not just bust out the torches and pitchforks and get 'justice' the old-fashioned way?

Curious said...

To Boy In The Machine:

Eh, just ignore it. Don't let anyone goad (sp?) you into a debate about nothing - it's not worth it. That Anon person just wants attention and it's taking away from Dan Zamlen. Let's just focus on his case.

By the way, I left a comment for you in the Josh Szostak thread.

Anonymous said...

I have made connections to yellow medicine river and the graffiti you found Yelloh- yelloh is also an abreviation seemingly used for yellow medicine county.
Yellow medicine is the english verson of the maerican indian name for moonseed, a medicine /poison, that can have the effect of paraylising someone yet keeping them flexible, their eyes open and them being fully aware yet unableto move themselves.

see above for actual medical links on the moonseed affects
Having found out all this i decided to persue it more, so
I did a yahoo search with the words "moonseed rape drug"

i got this result

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGkyPgQORJzWQAn5FXNyoA?p=moonseed++rape+drug&y=Search&fr=moz2&fr2=sb-top

Why is it the top result? i see no mention of it on that site and that site is strange- could it be a cover- a coded covert group? using terminology that fits two meanings?

i looked through that page and it has an article on floppy kid syndrome- that sounds just like the effects of the moonseed as described in the medical affects i posted on here in the comments.
I had an erry feeling, something did not feel quite right about that site.

Then i looked at the website owners biography story page and i was well creeped out.



I didnt have images enabled so i clicked on one to go to another page.

http://www.goatworld.com/articles/stories/storyofgw.shtml


Talk about coincidences i think following this story can get to you, especially if you have a series of coincidences like this!

heres the picture- note how i got to that site- why is it the top listing?


Be preprared to be shocked by what you are about too see.

HERE IT IS!!

http://www.goatworld.com/graphics/gary2.jpg

is that purposely placed water or sweat?

Look at the gloves? is that water or is it blood?

Anonymous said...

In a paper on the flora of la crosse moonseed is on the list

Page 1
THE FLORA OF LA CROSSE COUNTY
by
Deon M. Nontelle
B.S. University of Wisconsin at La Crosse, 1969
A Thesis Submitted in Partial Fulfillment of
the Requirements for the Degree of
Master of Science
Department of Biology in the Graduate School
University of Wisconsin at La Crosse
August, 1973
Page 2
UNIVERSITY OF WISCONSIN
La Crosse, Wisconsin 54601
THE GRADUATE COLLEGE
Candidates
Deon M. Nontelle_
We recommend acceptance of this thesis to the Graduate
College in partial fulfillment of this candidate's
requirements for the degree
Master of Science
The candidate has completed her oral report.
Thesis Committee Member
hesis Committee Member
Thesis Committee Member
Date
Date
7. 2 .7 i3
Date

Temp 25 May 1959; Stellick 29 May 1959; Hanson 23 May
1959; Horswill 23 May 1959; Moerschel 26 May 19591
Wildt 24 May 19591 Lenser 22 Apr 1971; Dix 20; Fischer
75; Nontelle 133,371,989,919,918,977,978,876» IAt Hart-
ley 138.
MENISPERMACEAE (Moonseed Family)
Menispermum canadense L. Moonseed.
WISL, Dix 901 Fischer 1911 Nontelle 504,206,1923,3080,
1833,1778,1779,1640,1314.


http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:Ca7hRwQzSLEJ:minds.wisconsin.edu/bitstream/handle/1793/85/Nontelle.pdf%3Fsequence%3D1+La+Crosse+moonseed&cd=4&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Anonymous said...

moonseed used on poisonous arrows
Moonseed developed for use in surgery as a muscle relaxant


Despite the extensive variation displayed by most morphological traits, the main feature historically used to define the family is the curved seed found in many of the genera, hence the common name "moonseed" family. Concomitant with the curving of the seed is the curving of the embryo. Moreover, the endocarp is variously ornamented and provides important taxonomic characters for distinguishing between and within genera.


Several members of the family are known for their medicinal and toxic components. Among these, the best known is curare, the South American dart and arrow poison, traditionally used by the rainforest people for hunting.

Knowledge of that use led to the synthesis of D-tubocurarine, a muscle relaxant utilized in surgical procedures in Western medicine until the early 1980s and for which the sole source was Chondrodendron tomentosum Ruiz and Pav. (Sneader, 1985 ; Phillips, 1991 ).

Menispermaceae are also economically important as hosts of the larvae of fruit-piercing moths, which as adults are pests for a range of commercial fruits and cause considerable loss of crops in Australia and in most of the Old World tropics (Fay, 1996 ).

Several other uses are reported for a number of Menispermaceae species (see Phillips, 1991 and citations therein for reports of those uses in Asia and in Africa).

http://www.amjbot.org/cgi/content/full/94/8/1425

Anonymous said...

moonseed featured in a poem on a poetry blog that includes gary snyder poetry !!!!!!

Transcendence of Janus
by Frank Stanford


excerpt of startling relevence!!


"I am not asleep, but I see
a limb, the fingers of death, the ghost
of an anonymous painter
leaving the prints of death
on the wall"

victim half unconscious seeing the graffiti artists make their smileys of death art ??


"your breathing
like the slow thunder
on the other side of some river
as you sleep beside me;"

Transcendence of Janus
by Frank Stanford

I am not asleep, but I see
a limb, the fingers of death, the ghost
of an anonymous painter
leaving the prints of death
on the wall; the bright feathers
of soft birds blowing
away in the forest;
the bones of fish and
the white backs of strange women;
your breathing
like the slow thunder
on the other side of some river
as you sleep beside me; old
dancing teachers weeping in their offices;
toads with bellies as quiet
as girls asleep in mansions, dreaming
of saddles and pulling the sheets
between their legs; fireflies
going to sleep on moonseed flowers
around a plantation gazebo at dawn;
a girl sweating in bed; hawks drifting
through the moon; a woman’s hair,
the flavor of death, floating
in the fog like a flag
on a ship full of ghosts,
the ghosts of soldiers
searching for the graves of their mothers; june bugs
listening to Leoncavallo;
christ weeping on Coney Island,
inevitable, like a fissure
in a faggot’s ass; a widower
with no sons, a lonesome janitor,
a worm in the sun, the dusty sockets
of poets, who have lost their eyes, their..


Estate of Frank Stanford © C.D. Wright

cached version text highlights in colour
moonseed and gary snyder

http://209.85.173.132/search?q=cache:RHb7eZliUuMJ:moltenlanguage.blogspot.com/2009_02_01_archive.html+gary+snyder+moonseed&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=uQZ&gl=us&strip=1

ordinary link

http://moltenlanguage.blogspot.com/2009_02_01_archive.html

Anonymous said...

also if the killers like gary snyder they i am sure would be familar
with frank stanford.
i did a search for the two names they come up on many proetry books and pages together


http://www.google.com/search?q=frank+stanford+garry+snyder&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Anonymous said...

http://www.goatworld.com/graphics/gary2.jpg

The guy at that link could almost resemble the guy that was last seen in the last few seconds of the tape of Brian Shaffer as he was seen by camera walking back into the bar,but never leaving.
Does anyone know what I am talking about? In the video I am referring to you can see the top of a man's head and he looks like he has the beginnings of a bald spot indicating that he was older than most people in that bar but followed Brian back inas he was last seen.
Go check it out on youtube.

Anonymous said...

nna dont think so

i thought that was a man but it turns out its meant to be 2 women that were interviewd
it does look like a man with a bald spot though
but police say it was 2 women.

Anonymous said...

http://www.goatworld.com/graphics/gary2.jpg
he looks like a the type of character youd expect to be in a gary snyder poem
the type of character that would identify with living with the erath and wrking on the land

Anonymous said...

"I am not asleep, but I see
a limb, the fingers of death, the ghost
of an anonymous painter
leaving the prints of death
on the wall"

victim half unconscious seeing the graffiti artists make their smileys of death art ??

This sounds like the affects on moonseed
not asleep still fully aware but paralysed and able to see whats happening when it comes into view.

Anonymous said...

I didn't know this, Brandon Swanson mentioned water on his phone call.
Why was this never said anywhere?

http://wcco.com/local/dan.zalmen.missing.2.985493.html


The Zamlens are supporting a bill from GOP House Minority Leader Marty Seifert to revamp Minnesota's missing persons laws for young adults and adults who disappear under suspicious or dangerous circumstances.

"If that law had been in place on Sunday morning, there would have been police down there, there would have been dogs down there, there would have been you know, somebody in communication with the phone company," Sally Zamlen said.

She added: "We would have had a 4-day head start on everything we're doing now."

Seifert's bill would require authorities to take and investigate missing persons reports on adults, no matter how little time they've been missing and even if the disappearance may have been intentional.

Some law enforcement agencies now wait 24 or 48 hours to look into such cases, since adults can choose to go away without telling others. But the practice can cost precious time.

Seifert's bill is named for Brandon Swanson, a 19-year-old who disappeared last May after running his car off the road in rural western Minnesota. Seifert said Swanson was on foot and speaking on a cell phone with his father when he disappeared.

"It was 2 in the morning, he was talking to his dad, taking the shortcut through the meadow, he was jumping fences and going through rough terrain. And one of his last statements was `Oh shoot, water,' or something on that order. That is why we feel the Yellow Medicine River is probably what happened. Nobody knows for sure," said Seifert, R-Marshall.

Seifert said law enforcement agencies in the area had uneven approaches to Swanson's case.

Under his bill, if a missing person is determined to be "endangered" -- meaning he or she was abducted or disappeared in a dangerous situation or for more than 30 days -- the state Bureau of Criminal Apprehension and other resources would come in.

Young adults could become the subject of such a search for even more reasons, including need for medical attention or medication, mental impairment, past threats of violence or going lost in the wilderness. The bill also encourages authorities to use subpoenas or search warrants if necessary to locate someone by pinging a cell phone or other electronic devices.

The House Finance Committee approved the bill, sending it to the full House.

Dale Zamlen said help searching for his son came quickly from organizations like the Jon Francis Foundation and the Jacob Wetterling Foundation, set up to help families find missing loved ones. He said the laws need to catch up.

"Law enforcement did as well as they could," he said. "Their hands are tied."






"And one of his last statements was `Oh shoot, water,' or something on that order. That is why we feel the Yellow Medicine River is probably what happened. Nobody knows for sure," said Seifert, R-Marshall."

So Brandon mentioned water , first iv'e heard of that.

Anonymous said...

ANOTHER MOONSEED drug CONNECTION





HALF MOON LAKE and MOONSEED HALF MOON FRUIT paraylisising drug

Menispermum canadense ( Common Moonseed ) .. The fruit is black and the seeds look like a half-moon
http://www.backyardgardener.com/plantname/pd_72fa.html


http://sfkillers.com/?page_id=449

Q: Why do you think there is more than one killer?

A: Some of these abductions are happening in different parts of the country in a short time span. For example, Todd Geib and Josh Snell disappeared on the same day. Todd was last seen in Michigan and Josh disappeared in Wisconsin. The men each were recovered near a body of water called Half Moon Lake. Coincidence?

Anonymous said...

ALSO
ANOTHER

MOONSEED HALF MOON DRUG PLANT HALF MOON LAKE CONNECTION

craig Burrows MISSING: 9/29/02 - Eau Claire, WI
RECOVERED: 10/02 - Half Moon Lake

MICHAEL Noll-
MISSING: 11/06/02 - Eau Claire, WI

RECOVERED: 03/03 - Half Moon Lake

Monday night Venus, Jupiter, and the moon lined up in the night sky to form a smiley face in the heavens. The next event of this kind will not occur until March 2012, but, unlike yesterday's event, Jupiter and Venus will be further apart.

Last night's event displayed "the Smiley Face."
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2008/12/081202-venus-jupiter-photo.html
Type:
Article






I read in one of the posts that there are only two months of the year with no killings - July & August. Most of the killings are done on or near a quarter moon and there's three more of those before July. Killer(s) may strike again before October.

It appears that most of the killings done on quarter moon or within 1 day of it but some have been 2 days before or after a quarter moon. But if a person is last seen 2 days before a quarter moon it doesn't mean they are killed that day. Since most are out drinking it is likely they are killed after midnight which would put the actual killing within a day of quarter moon.






雙星拱月:嫦娥的微笑:Smiley moon by Killer App
smiley moon I saw tonight. The new moon and 2 stars above it.

Anyone can see this photo All rights reserved

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3031/3074510620_30a7f59825_m.jpg




There is also a pattern in when they decide to make their move..........the moon. They never strike when it is a full moon....usually only when it is a quarter moon. That way they have a better chance of not being seen(?). I'm only speculating as to why they wouldn't strike on a full moon. And they are only commiting these crimes during Nov - May.....but there are a couple that have been done in June and I think two in July. But that still rules out Aug-Oct and that's when there are more people out and about and a higher chance of being seen.

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message542174/pg32

moonseed drug half moon like appearence
can paraylise victim while conscious in right doses can kill also
so many connections i keep getting.

BoyintheMachine said...

The moonseed crap is ridiculous quit posting it. Quit copying and pasting and learn how to post links. Respect this blog.

Anonymous said...

It’s not the moon because:
2/2/97 - was in quarter moon(waxing)
2/16/97 - was just over 1/2 (waxing)
09/22/97 - was just over 1/2 (waning)
10/10/97 - was just over 1/2 (waxing)
12/31/97 - was in new moon phase
1/1/98 - was in new moon phase
2/22/98 - was in quarter moon(waning)
and so it goes… no, the moon isn’t the connection.

Ah but there is a moon connection though.
More connection now that before i think

Anonymous said...

HTE MOONSEED HYPOTHESIS

dont know if harry potter is at all relevent to other undisclosed to public evidence.

http://i24.ebayimg.com/07/i/001/00/88/0c21_1.JPG

moonseed poison harry potter card on ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/Harry-Potter-TCG-League-Promo-%235-Moonseed-Poison-Holo_W0QQitemZ310131371760QQcmdZViewItemQQimsxZ20090326?IMSfp=TL090326124010r22652

Anonymous said...

SHALL WE JUST SIT BACK AND SAY

"BUT,
WE REALLY CANT BE SURE"

AS YOU DO ALL THE TIME BOYINTHEMACHINE?

Anonymous said...

MOONSEED HALF MOON AWAKE PARALYIS PERFECT DATE RAPE DRUG CAN LEAD TO EVENTUAL DEATH


IMPORTANT NEW INFORMNATION
RELEVENT TO POSSIBLITITY OF USE OF DRUG WITH SMYBOLIC MEANING TO CASE AND PERFECT PROPERTIES OF FLEXIBLE AWAKE PARALSIS AND CAN LEAD TO FATALITY.


Todd Geib

PHONE CALL DIFFICULTY BREATHING SYMPTOM OF MOONSEED POISONING

http://www.wzzm13.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=41028

It's an uneasy feeling because 3 days of searching have turned up no clues. Still, Todd's last cell phone call came from here, an area just east of a bonfire he attended Saturday night.

Kathy said,? The message was that he was having trouble breathing and that he was in a field."

So fields are where they focus, keeping in mind the 22 year is an outdoors guy.

Kathy said, "We're telling people that if you go past something you feel lead to go in...go in."

Going with their gut and following their hearts. Doug said, "This is going to have a good outcome we stand on that believe it.?

A family hanging on to the only thing they've found...hope.







moonseed
plant
Main

any of three species of woody vines constituting the genus Menispermum of the family Menispermaceae (order Ranunculales). They occur in East Asia, eastern North America, and Mexico. The North American species, Canada moonseed, or yellow parilla (M. canadense), with lobed leaves and greenish-white flowers, bears black, grapelike fruit with crescent-shaped seeds. M. dauricum, from East Asia, and M. mexicanum, from Mexico, have similar properties.

*************In particular, the seeds of all these species may

cause a curare-like poisoning; **********


one of the ingredients in curare comes from another member of Menispermaceae (Chondrodendron tomentosum).

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/391436/moonseed









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Anonymous said...

YELLOW MEDICINE RIVER
YELLOH
TODD GRIEB ONLY REPORTED PHYSICAL SYMPTOMS!!

HALF MOON LAKE 4 FOUND DROWNED THERE
MOONSEED THE CRESCENT MOON POISON
DATE RAPE DRUG
PARALYISIS
FIXED EYES
BREATHING DIFFICULTIES
FLEXIBLE BODIES
EVENTUALLY FATAL

Anonymous said...

YELLOW MEDICINE
IS MOONSEED

Anonymous said...

Menispermaceae Menispermum canadense Moonseed

IN TODD GRIEBS COUNTY
THE CANADIAN VARIANT WITH HALF MOON SHAPE ASWELL.

http://www.gvsu.edu/forms/envchem/species_list_1202.xls

REMEMBER PROFILE DISPURSED GANGS
LOCAL AVAILABILITY IN ALL AREAS FOR THIS MOONSEED.
DIFFERENT VARIANTS ALL SAME
Curare poisoning/curare-like AFFECTS

Anonymous said...

interesting site could be useful


The Yellowstone River (and the park named for it) derives from the Siouan word mitsiadazi. Similarly, Yellow Medicine County, Minnesota, is the English translation of the name of a yellow plant also called moonseed (Menispermum canadense) that grows in that area. Yellowknife, the capital of the Northwest Territories, is the English translation of a Dene (Athabascan) name for the native people who lived there and carried knives made of a yellowish native copper they mined in the north.


http://www.manataka.org/page263.html

Anonymous said...

theres a very interesting article unrelated
of the origin and history berhind all the place names in Wisconsin

"Baraboo and other place names in Sauk County"

http://www.archive.org/details/baraboootherplac00cole

http://www.archive.org/stream/baraboootherplac00cole/baraboootherplac00cole_djvu.txt

Anonymous said...

I have looked at the Goat World site, and it appears to be just a tongue-in-cheek site by a scruffy man who raises goats for a living. Please don't slander innocent people by suggesting they are serial killers.

Lisa said...

Re: Anon 2:24's post

Craig Burrows and Michael Noll were found in Half Moon Lake. Josh Snell and Jesse Miller were found in the Chippewa River.

No one has been found in Yellow Medicine River. Brandon Swanson disappeared near there and is still missing. Nothing has been found to suggest he is in the river.

Anonymous said...

scopolamine

http://biopsychiatry.com/scopolamine/borrachero.html

I grew this beautiful tropical plant in my front yard. People will do anything under the influence of the product from these seeds. And have no memory of it. I called it Brugmansia.
Anyone know if there is a test for this in the body? If you survive you have side affects such as memory loss. Coulumbian Devil's Breath

Anonymous said...

Has there been any graffiti found regarding his disappearance?

Anonymous said...

http://media.www.universitychronicle.com/media/storage/paper231/news/2009/04/16/News/Professor.Probes.Murders-3713461.shtml

Some more hints at how the investigators are working. Thanks to this University Reporter.

materialeesta said...

re: anon 1:54am

invaluable new article!!!

New undisclosed graffiti pics.

I can't believe they perceive this to be the work of a group though with roughly near 200 members - I kinda doubt a group that big can hold such a big secret... I guess you never know

Also, trackbacks link to this blog as well as to vance holmes .... but oddly enough not to sfkillers.


Also, they are once again enforcing that the group works along I94 and I90 - so hopefully the highway serial killers initiative will bring about justice and end the massacre.

BatMan said...

RE: Materialeesta said...
(whas originally)re: anon 1:54am

You have CONFLICTING ideas on here.
----------------------------------
1st of All The "The highway serial killers initiative". HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SFK's. -Okay-
"The highway serial killers initiative".-Has JUST RECENTLTY BEEN LAUNCHED BY THE FBI. (See their Home web-site) Into Investigating the Deaths of Dozens OF WOMEN mainley prostitute that are being killed across the country, BY TRUCK-DRIVERS.
---------------------------------
2ndly-The article YOU TWO are refrencing, Does pertain too the Smiley Face Killers (SFK's.)
(see:Below)CUT & PASTE for that update. recenthttp://media.www.universitychronicle.com/media/storage/paper231/news/2009/04/16/News/Professor.Probes.Murders-3713461.shtml
---------------------------------
This Is why It can be confusing.
YOU ARE TAKING TWO SEPRATE STORIES AND MERGING THEM INTO ONE. WITCH IS INCORRECT.

Anonymous said...

Which witch is incorrect?

Anonymous said...

BatMan, you might be wrong. KMSP-TV in Minnesota did a story in and basically calls the Smiley Face Killer(s) the I-94 serial killer. Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_Sk29TArIE

Anonymous said...

Meant to say in 2006 the story was done by KMSP-TV.

BoyintheMachine said...

BatMan is incorrect, however I remember hearing something about a serial killer believed to be murdering prostitutes in that area.

Professor Gilbertson has been working on his 'I-94 Serial Killer' theory prior to his involvement with the two detectives on the sfkillers theory.

Gilbertson's theory includes the strange drowning deaths of college-aged men which he believes are clustered around I-94.

Local law enforcement were not convinced and Gilbertson has since teamed up with Gannon & Duarte w/ their sfkiller theory.

With regards to Lacross, the supposed place where it all began,

Check out the following clips. There are many natives who believe there is a serial killer on the loose, however there are just as many native disbelievers as well.

News Investigation Into La Crosse Deaths

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JHWGZBtPK4

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=36nsZ6lwrek

Anonymous said...

Blogger Lisa said...

Re: Anon 2:24's post

Craig Burrows and Michael Noll were found in Half Moon Lake. Josh Snell and Jesse Miller were found in the Chippewa River.

anon says

i didnt mention jesse miller did i?

No one has been found in Yellow Medicine River. Brandon Swanson disappeared near there and is still missing. Nothing has been found to suggest he is in the river.

anon says

Yellow Medicine River. Brandon Swanson disappeared near there - EXACTLY THAT I WHY I CONNECTED IT.





I got the info OF FOUR VICTIM CONNECTED TO HALF MOON LAKE from below

http://sfkillers.com/?page_id=449

Q: Why do you think there is more than one killer?


A: Some of these abductions are happening in different parts of the country in a short time span. For example, Todd Geib and Josh Snell disappeared on the same day. Todd was last seen in Michigan and Josh disappeared in Wisconsin. The men each were recovered near a body of water called Half Moon Lake. Coincidence?

It says Tood Grieb and Josh Snell were recovered near a body of water called half moon lake
I then added
Those found actually IN and NOT JUST NEAR half moon lake.

Craig Burrows
MISSING: 9/29/02 Eau Claire, WI
FOUND: 10/6/02 Half Moon Lake
Cause of Death: Drowning


Michael Noll
University of Wisconsin-Eau Claire student
MISSING: 11/6/02 Eau Claire
FOUND: 8/19/03 Half Moon Lake

That is how i got FOUR WITH A HALF MOON LAKE CONNECTTION
AND THEN I CONNECTED THAT TOO THE BRANDON SWANSON CASE AND DANIS CASE VIA THE WORD YELLOW AND YELLOH
(THE graffiti you found)
Yellow medicine river WAS NAMED AFTER a HALF MOON SHAPED PARAYLISIS DRUG.

Anonymous said...

There is another
yellow yelloh connection also

THE COLOR YELLOW CONNECTION

The classic Smiley arrived in the early 1970s. Within a perfect circle, there is the simplest, most childlike depiction of a happy face: two vertical, oval eyes and a large, upturned semi-circular mouth. The choice of yellow as a background colour was inspired: it's the colour of spring, the sun, a radiant, unclouded happiness.


ALSO ANOTHER DRUG CONNECTION

Tim Simenon has used the Smiley repeatedly: in the videos for the summer '88 hit Don't Make Me Wait (and for last year's Butterfingers). In the previous month, Danny Rampling had used the Smiley in a flyer for his club Shoom. He'd got the idea from seeing the designer Barnzley at the Wag Club in a shirt covered "in a lot of smiley faces". Embedded into the second "o" in Shoom, the symbol took a few weeks to catch on, but when it did, it swept the country as the logo of acid fashion.

As acid house became acieed that year, the Smiley flip-flopped from dream symbol to harbinger of wickedness. Just as the early days of acid were beatific, so the media's initial response to this new youth cult was positive. This changed in the autumn as "smiley culture" was associated with headlines like "Evil Of Ecstasy" and "Shoot These Drug Barons", and the fad quickly subsided.

This negative association continued into the early 1990s. Mutations of the symbol were used by Nirvana (crossed-out eyes, drooling mouth) on their famous "Corporate Rock Whores" T-shirt, as well as in the 1991 Fangoria comic Evil Ernie (angry eyes, mouth with bared teeth).


http://www.guardian.co.uk/artanddesign/2009/feb/21/smiley-face-design-history

Anonymous said...

is this the happy evil smiley faced man?


evil ernie

http://image.comicvine.com/uploads/vol/19000/18112/18112-106087-1-evil-ernie_400.jpg

Anonymous said...

evil ernie

Evil Ernie is a fictional character, an undead, psychotic killer with his own series, published by Chaos! Comics and Devil's Due Publishing. Originally, Evil Ernie was part of Eternity Comics. He made his debut in December 1991.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evil_Ernie





Evil Ernie hereafter, along with his partner 'Smiley' (A psychotic smiley badge, which was once his pet rat) set about to cause 'Megadeath', which involved setting all of the USA's nuclear plethora on the rest of the world, so the rest of the world fires on itself (a sort of domino effect). Ernie sets to accomplish this by creating an army of zombies known as 'Dead onez'. Various adventures ensue, including a trip back to his past to confront his parents about their ill treatment of him, and a trip to hell to rebuke Pagan (the court jester of hell) for having Lady Death cast out into the void by Satan.

The culmination of Ernie's efforts amount to him causing Megadeath by causing the rest of the world to fire on itself with nuclear warheads from other various countries. Elsewhere the world has been earlier obliterated by nuclear strikes from various countries. Evil Ernie ends his life in a duel with Dr. Price, and in the last moment before the missiles hit, Ernie overpowers Price and turns him into a Dead One, exclaiming: Do you see it now? To which Price replies I see it, it's beau- Hereafter, both are dead. The very last scene is one of a mushroom cloud behind the survivors, bearing a facade of Ernie's face, grinning maniacally.

Anonymous said...

EVIL SMILEY FACE GUY

Real name: Mr. Ward.

Other aliases: Robin.

Base of Operations: The Part-Time-Hall-of-Doom.

Group affiliation: Leader of The Part-Time-Lethargic-Lad-Revenge-Squad.

http://www.lethargiclad.com/what/ptllrs.htm

http://www.lethargiclad.com/what/esfg.htm

Anonymous said...

The Part-Time-Lethargic-Lad-Revenge-Squad was formed by the Evil Smiley Face Guy to be a team of Lethargic Lad's greatest arch enemies, whose combined goal is to destroy Lethargic Lad.

http://www.lethargiclad.com/what/rsstarro.jpg


Only true enemies of Lethargic Lad will be allowed to join, and not just any super villain, as was found out by Pelican Boy, who tried to join the Revenge'Squad's ranks. Evil Smiley Face Guy has even gone to the extent of breaking super villains out of prison, as was the case with Mr. Cheese and the Quizmaster, to have them in the group. At the Revenge-Squad's first meeting, it was decided that because some members couldn't devote all their time to the group, that the Revenge-Squad would have to be part time, thus the team's name. While The Part-Time-Lethargic-Lad-Revenge-Squad has yet to destroy Lethargic Lad, they have rented a van.

Recently, several members of The Part-Time-Lethargic-Lad-Revenge-Squad have left the team to join The Legion of Super Bad Guys, leaving Evil Smiley Face Guy, Mr. Mimico and Starro'david as the only remaining members.

Arch-enemies: Lethargic Lad.

Base of Operations: Part-Time-Hall-of-Doom.

First Appearance: LETHARGiC LAD #5 (June 1999)




http://www.lethargiclad.com/what/ptllrs.htm

Anonymous said...

LETHARGIC LAD IS A RICH BOY WHO LIVES IN A MANSION

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lethargic_Lad

Lethargic Lad - The main character of the series. He is the protector of Infantino City, a presumably large metropolis. He has the power of lethargy, and is always ready to save the day. His secret identity is Larry Ladhands, who is rich and lives in a mansion. Below his mansion is the Lad Cave, where he keeps his vehicles and gadgets.

EVIL SMILEY FACE GUY WANTS TO KILL HIM AND HE HAS A GANG AND THEY HAVE BOUGHT A VAN

Anonymous said...

one of the ALLIES OF lathargiC lad is THE GRAD

http://www.lethargiclad.com/what/grad.htm

Lisa said...

Anon 2:24,

Gotcha. I mistakenly assumed you were referring to Jesse Miller. He was also from Eau Claire where there is a Half Moon Lake (he was found in the Chippewa River). I have not had a chance yet to review Todd Geib's case, but would like to post information on that case soon.

I can see your point about Brandon Swanson. I just meant that I'd be more inclined to see the connection if, God forbid, he had been found in that river. And I'm still skeptical about that graffiti.

Thanks for the clarification about your point!

Anonymous said...

Blogger Lisa said...

Anon 2:24,

Gotcha. I mistakenly assumed you were referring to Jesse Miller. He was also from Eau Claire where there is a Half Moon Lake (he was found in the Chippewa River). I have not had a chance yet to review Todd Geib's case, but would like to post information on that case soon.

I can see your point about Brandon Swanson. I just meant that I'd be more inclined to see the connection if, God forbid, he had been found in that river. And I'm still skeptical about that graffiti.

Thanks for the clarification about your point!


ANON SAYS



"And one of his last statements was `Oh shoot, water,' or something on that order. That is why we feel the Yellow Medicine River is probably what happened. Nobody knows for sure," said Seifert, R-Marshall."

So Brandon mentioned water , first iv'e heard of that.

Anonymous said...

LISA!!


what are the odds?


in relation to the other case(ONE OF THE EVERY FIRST ONES) Jesse Miller
and the "other" half moon lake nearby and the river "Chippewa"

its name "Chippewa" is thought to mean :

THOSE WHO KEEP RECORDS ( OF A VISION) BY DRAWING /PAINTING \PICTURES -GRAFFITI ??

So we have a convoluted yet plausable clue here, that leads from this early case with another half moon lake connection to the rivers name POINTING US TO LOOK TO CAVE/WALL PICTURES to get to the next clue.
Which in a sense happened with me when you posted the YELLOH graffitit pics with Dands case , which in turn led me to THE SWANSON YELLOW RIVER CONNECTION
\and which in turn led us back to this case VIA THE HALF MOON (4 MAYBE 5 CASES NOW) CONNECTIONS TO YELLOW MEDICINE .
MOONSEED.
ALL VIA THE PICTURES RECORDS /GRAFFITI OR "Chippewa". OF THE SMILEY GANG







(amongst other proposaas)

Name

The autonym for this group of Anishinaabeg is "Ojibwe" (plural: Ojibweg). This name is commonly anglicized as "Ojibwa." The name "Chippewa" is an anglicized version of "Ojibwa." Although many variations exist in literature, "Chippewa" is more common in the United States and "Ojibwa" predominates in Canada, but both terms do exist in both countries. The exact meaning of the name "Ojibwe" is not known; the most common explanations on the name derivations are:



THIS ONE THAT STANDS OUT TO ME

from ozhibii'iwe (/o/ + /zhibii'/ + /iwe/), meaning "those who keep records [of a Vision]", referring to their form of pictorial writing, and pictographs used in Midewiwin rites[3]

THOSE WHO KEEP RECORDS VIA PICTURES
(WRITING ON CAVES ETC)
LIKE GRAFFITI


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ojibwa#Name

Anonymous said...

FROM THE MOST FAMOUS PEOM USING THE LANGUAGE OF THE "Chippewa"

The Song of Hiawatha/Book XIV
Picture-Writing

In those days said Hiawatha,
"Lo! how all things fade and perish!
From the memory of the old men
Pass away the great traditions,
The achievements of the warriors,
The adventures of the hunters,

"On the grave-posts of our fathers
Are no signs, no figures painted;

"Face to face we speak together,
But we cannot speak when absent,
Cannot send our voices from us
To the friends that dwell afar off;
Cannot send a secret message,
But the bearer learns our secret,
May pervert it, may betray it,
May reveal it unto others."



Thus said Hiawatha, walking
In the solitary forest,
Pondering, musing in the forest,
On the welfare of his people.

From his pouch he took his colors,
Took his paints of different colors,
On the smooth bark of a birch-tree
Painted many shapes and figures,
Wonderful and mystic figures,
And each figure had a meaning,
Each some word or thought suggested.



And the last of all the figures
Was a heart within a circle,
Drawn within a magic circle;
And the image had this meaning:
"Naked lies your heart before me,
To your naked heart I whisper!"





http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Song_of_Hiawatha/Book_XIV

Very sINISTER

FOR WORD VERIFICATION I HAVE TO TYPE IN yeleco to post this message

im not making this up!

Anonymous said...

MSSING TEEN FOUND DROWNED AND ONE MISSING
A NEW CASE ?

http://sfkillers.com/?p=622



Desmond Clark

“Accidental drowning” is how authorities are classifying a Montana teen’s death. Desmond Clark left a party near Poplar, Montana on April 10th. He got into an argument with someone at the party and walked into the woods. Attempts to bring the 17-year-old back were unsuccessful. Searchers started looking for him on Easter evening. His body was recovered in the backwaters of the Missouri River. The location is less than a mile from the party where Desmond was last seen. According to the Great Falls Tribune, authorities say there are no reports of trauma or foul play and that Desmond had been drinking alcohol at the party. Click here to read more about Desmond’s death.

Desmond was a junior at a high school in nearby Wolf Point, MT. He was a guard on the basketball team. They’d had a successful season and made local headlines recently for winning the conference tournament.


Roderick Red Star

Roderick Red Star

The Sheriff says that the disappearance of Roderick Red Star is unrelated. The 20-year-old man was last seen on March 14 walking north of Wolf Point. Searches by local and tribal authorities haven’t found any sign of Roderick. Click here to read more about Roderick’s disappearance.

NOTE: Fewer than 1,000 people live in Poplar. The population of nearby Wolf Point is nearly 2,500.




MORE ON Desmond Clark

http://lifenotnews.com/wolfpointherald/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1409&Itemid=1

Missing Youth Found Dead In Poplar, Students Mourn Loss Of Classmate
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After hours of hopeful searching Sunday, April 12, and Monday, April 13, by numerous law enforcement personnel, family, friends and community members, a body presumed to be missing Wolf Point High School junior Desmond Clark was found southeast of Poplar.

Lisa said...

Anon 10:43,

I really do see your point, and it really is a good theory that clues are being left. I'm not trying to argue with you, only trying to play devil's advocate.

My issue is that it is a circular theory--each piece depends on something else, so it at looks like a house of cards.

First, all of it hinges on the fact that the SFK theory is correct and that this graffiti is the mark of the killer(s). If wrong, we potentially eliminate other suspects. But if we are right and this graffiti is really the mark of the killer....why isn't it left at every scene? Out of 151 cases, looked at by the investigators, only 35 are thought to be linked and of those, graffiti was NOT found at every scene.

The problem is, if this killer is so methodical and intelligent to toy with police by leaving graffiti, I would think he would leave it at every scene. From my reading, serial killers usually stick to the same M.O.

But I will grant that I'm no expert and could be wrong. But how do you explain that the victims that don't have a connection to "moon?" There are also Half Moon Lakes and Bays to choose from all over the Midwest (e.g., Polk, WI and Riverdale, MI). If the killer was fixated on "Half Moon," I would expect to see more victims found in other Half Moon Lakes.

My other issue is with the moonseed. Nothing has ever come back on a toxicology report to suggest any of these men were drugged. Is moonseed something that would not show up in toxicology? Perhaps it is not routinely looked for or wouldn't show up. That would change things. But I don't think we can call moonseed a possibility until we know for sure.

All I'm saying is that while I wouldn't rule it out, I think it's too early to tell if there's a connection, so I wouldn't call it a clue just yet.

Anonymous said...

Authorities in Montana continue to search for a member of the Fort Peck Assiniboine and Sioux Tribes who has been missing for more than three weeks.


http://64.38.12.138/News/2009/014014.asp

Search continues for missing Poplar man (The Great Falls Tribune 4/8)

http://64.38.12.138/my.asp?url=http://www.greatfallstribune.com/article/20090408/NEWS01/904080308/1002

Anonymous said...

LISA said,

First, all of it hinges on the fact that the SFK theory is correct and that this graffiti is the mark of the killer(s). If wrong, we potentially eliminate other suspects. But if we are right and this graffiti is really the mark of the killer....why isn't it left at every scene? Out of 151 cases, looked at by the investigators, only 35 are thought to be linked and of those, graffiti was NOT found at every scene.

Hi,
Well that is just what i have been led to do, join certain names of rivers etc
to cases that have no graffiti
but the ALL THE graffiti links to those places as in the case of both Jesse Miller and Brandon Swanson which dont have any but were links to the graffiti you found. with the mispelt YELLOH
Remeber i find and google entry for a local government paper of some kind with YELLOH COUNTY ON IT.




its like that wierd indian name graffiti sawannana or wotever it was-
it lead to a place of another missing or drowning., and that was very direct, somthings like what i found you need to research to see how they can be connected.

Just because there is not a smiley in a place of a drowning or missing person in one case doesn't mean that there are not clues there in that place, clues in names and their origin meaning, river names etc the street names the significance of the dates etcetc even the names of previous victims could be a link that leads to other cases were there may be a graffiti clue, smiley or not .


Anyhow this is the only way to SEE IF THERE IS A REAL PATTERN OTHER THAN THE BARE CIRCUMSTANCES OF EACH INDIVIDUAL CASE
AND IT COULD BE IMPORTANT IN ENTRAPMENT OR EVEN LEAD TO THE KILLER BY HIS CHOICE MEANS OF CODES SO TO SPEAK.

Anonymous said...

ALSO
NOW WE HAVE NATIVE INDIAN VICTIMS
POSSIBLY.

Anonymous said...

LISA SAID
The problem is, if this killer is so methodical and intelligent to toy with police by leaving graffiti, I would think he would leave it at every scene. From my reading, serial killers usually stick to the same M.O.

HI,
The basis of the theoryis we are dealing with groups,cells assigned different tasks by a central command.
They may not all want or have to place graffiti but are assigned a certain place and time for reasons to do with other places by their commanders.

That is the theory its a gang with a sructure and their are architecs to the overall pattern and their are hunters and goafers doing what they are told to do and when and where for the reward of the hunt.
The chief architect has his complex pattern and design in mind though.

that is my theory of what is going on with these killers and how they are operating under a carefully thought out leadership plan, based upon the sfkillers gandg theory.

Anonymous said...

LISA SAID

But I will grant that I'm no expert and could be wrong. But how do you explain that the victims that don't have a connection to "moon?" There are also Half Moon Lakes and Bays to choose from all over the Midwest (e.g., Polk, WI and Riverdale, MI). If the killer was fixated on "Half Moon," I would expect to see more victims found in other Half Moon Lakes.

My other issue is with the moonseed. Nothing has ever come back on a toxicology report to suggest any of these men were drugged. Is moonseed something that would not show up in toxicology? Perhaps it is not routinely looked for or wouldn't show up. That would change things. But I don't think we can call moonseed a possibility until we know for sure.

All I'm saying is that while I wouldn't rule it out, I think it's too early to tell if there's a connection, so I wouldn't call it a clue just yet.

Hi,
Yes in concede all the above But the connections are certainly most definitly there to be found.

i am just trying to find real TRACEABLE connections.

the half moon LAKES -MOONSEED connections to yellow river- yelloh THE COLOR YELLOW IN GEENERAL TO SMILEYS and some of the cases is very real THEY ARE REAL ACTUAL THINGS
EVEN IF THE KILLER(S) DONT KNOW ABOUT THEM.

BoyintheMachine said...

Lisa,

You were spot on with the 'circular reasoning' bit.

There's a lot of people who don't even undersand what circular reasoning is.

Here are some examples:

http://abyss.uoregon.edu/~js/images/circular_reasoning.gif

http://theframeproblem.files.wordpress.com/2008/01/break-the-cycle.jpg

Here's a circular arguement:
http://www.valleymentalhealth.org/Articles/Red_Flag_Words/23.jpg

Anonymous said...

Lisa, You may have a point i could be looking too deep as far as connections go, even if there is a gang and they do put smileys up or graffiti, they may be ingonorant of other things except and very narrow knowledge of some poet they were told would make them seem trendy.
They may be ignorant of any other real culture and especially American history -except i suppose hip hop type stuff that is associated with sterotypical graffiti wannabees etc.

Anonymous said...

Lisa,

You were spot on with the 'circular reasoning' bit.


Hi Lisa i understand what you say, but consider if they want to draw a picture on a map of the cases.
one case leading to another, then we would see a purpose not a cirlcular argument with no end or purpose.

In the end everything comes down to where each case occurs
THAT ANOTHER DOT ON THE PICTURE MAPPING.

SEE THAT CONNECTION?
PICTURE MAPPING?

Anonymous said...

lisa said,

The problem is, if this killer is so methodical and intelligent to toy with police by leaving graffiti, I would think he would leave it at every scene. From my reading, serial killers usually stick to the same M.O.

I disagree with the police on that,
if the killers are using grafitti and other symbolism and place name cutura clues etc,
its not for the police to feel mocked
its for the sake of their project.

Anonymous said...

ok on circular argument.......



lets look at what the killers might do when arranging events.


At a meeting
one group is told go out and get a profile of possible prey /victim in your area.
The group leader of a cell of the sf killers gang is holding a meeting.

3 of you attend college so bring me back any one you want to put up on the chalk board for consideration, lets see what you all come up with then we will decide how to undertake the hunt.


so they go out to their college look at their fellows
look at newbies and pick five possible candidiates.

they report back at the next meeting-

meanwhile their leader is in contact with another leader in another state.
they have a conversation.

we got a candidate already picked we plan such and such a date

The other leader in other state-


"as i told you we just had a meeting and we can fit ours in before or after yours,what you want , what do you think?"


"well im planning a field this time i have two areas in mind one is named----------
the other ----------
and their both near--------

so can you leave me a carling card with this on it **********
at your kill site in----------?

"Will do"

"ok good,that will leave so many months before probable recovery of both -"

Oh and by the way i also arranged my new place of kill to match the 1998 kill in
**********




"ok let's get started then i'm sending my crew out thursday at 11pm to catch our man."


That is not circular thinking its a concise well thought out conspiracy and plan to kill.

Anonymous said...

To be honest i have no evidence the smiley killers placed graffiti at the scenes of the drownings

but the hypothosis seems to connect those particular group of drownings together

and other hypothosis such as my own -yellow river yelloh and moonseed moon lake
seems to connect other drownings together.

it can be certain names of lakes rivers , counties, plants and street/ road names and themes of religious holdays dates- moon cyles and classic poems have been around far longer than graffiti and are unchagable

Anonymous said...

PLUS THIS IS NOT A CIRCULAR ARGUMENT

LISA!!


what are the odds?


in relation to the other case(ONE OF THE EVERY FIRST ONES) Jesse Miller
and the "other" half moon lake nearby and the river "Chippewa"

its name "Chippewa" is thought to mean :

THOSE WHO KEEP RECORDS ( OF A VISION) BY DRAWING /PAINTING \PICTURES -GRAFFITI ??

So we have a convoluted yet plausable clue here, that leads from this early case with another half moon lake connection to the rivers name POINTING US TO LOOK TO CAVE/WALL PICTURES to get to the next clue.
Which in a sense happened with me when you posted the YELLOH graffitit pics with Dands case , which in turn led me to THE SWANSON YELLOW RIVER CONNECTION
\and which in turn led us back to this case VIA THE HALF MOON (4 MAYBE 5 CASES NOW) CONNECTIONS TO YELLOW MEDICINE .
MOONSEED.
ALL VIA THE PICTURES RECORDS /GRAFFITI OR "Chippewa". OF THE SMILEY GANG







(amongst other proposaas)

Name

The autonym for this group of Anishinaabeg is "Ojibwe" (plural: Ojibweg). This name is commonly anglicized as "Ojibwa." The name "Chippewa" is an anglicized version of "Ojibwa." Although many variations exist in literature, "Chippewa" is more common in the United States and "Ojibwa" predominates in Canada, but both terms do exist in both countries. The exact meaning of the name "Ojibwe" is not known; the most common explanations on the name derivations are:



THIS ONE THAT STANDS OUT TO ME

from ozhibii'iwe (/o/ + /zhibii'/ + /iwe/), meaning "those who keep records [of a Vision]", referring to their form of pictorial writing, and pictographs used in Midewiwin rites[3]

THOSE WHO KEEP RECORDS VIA PICTURES
(WRITING ON CAVES ETC)
LIKE GRAFFITI


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ojibwa#Name

Friday, April 17, 2009 10:43:00 PM CDT
Anonymous Anonymous said...

FROM THE MOST FAMOUS PEOM USING THE LANGUAGE OF THE "Chippewa"

The Song of Hiawatha/Book XIV
Picture-Writing

In those days said Hiawatha,
"Lo! how all things fade and perish!
From the memory of the old men
Pass away the great traditions,
The achievements of the warriors,
The adventures of the hunters,

"On the grave-posts of our fathers
Are no signs, no figures painted;

"Face to face we speak together,
But we cannot speak when absent,
Cannot send our voices from us
To the friends that dwell afar off;
Cannot send a secret message,
But the bearer learns our secret,
May pervert it, may betray it,
May reveal it unto others."



Thus said Hiawatha, walking
In the solitary forest,
Pondering, musing in the forest,
On the welfare of his people.

From his pouch he took his colors,
Took his paints of different colors,
On the smooth bark of a birch-tree
Painted many shapes and figures,
Wonderful and mystic figures,
And each figure had a meaning,
Each some word or thought suggested.



And the last of all the figures
Was a heart within a circle,
Drawn within a magic circle;
And the image had this meaning:
"Naked lies your heart before me,
To your naked heart I whisper!"





http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Song_of_Hiawatha/Book_XIV
I JUST HAPPNED TO SEE A LINK TO TOHER CASES FROM THE WORD YELLOH

THE CLUES ARE NOT MEANT TO CATCH THER KILLER BUT LEAD TO EVIDENCE THEIR IS ONE
THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A A CIRCULAR ARGUMENT TO DO WITH THIS
REALISATION OF A PATTERN THAT LEADS BACKWARDS ONLY LEADS BACKWARDS BECAUSE YOU DIDNT SEE IT EARLIER!


ITS NOT A CIRCULAR ARGUMENT ITS ABOUT FINDING PROOF OF PATTERNS.

Anonymous said...

We need to find supporting evidence of foul play concerning these drownings and disappearences.


finding patterns that become too obvious to be coincidental will only help in getting law enorfcement to take seriously the idea of a gang of serial killer at work. and act to set forth a real serial killers hunt and investigation of these crimes.

So,
to boyinthemachine who seems to spend his time trying to debunk anyones unput on these cases and just about any serious murder case missing person or abuse case (see his blog)

WHAT ARE YOU DOING TO HELP?
OTHER THAN DISTRACTING?
AND TRYING TO DEBUNK
LOOK FOR PATTERNS.
or shut up and stop trying to hinder those who seek to help get evidecne to support a full proper investigation of these tragic murders.

Anonymous said...

Another Chippewa THOSE WHO KEEP RECORDS VIA PICTURES
(WRITING ON CAVES ETC
LIKE GRAFFITI) , connection to the above and the case of Matt Kruziki

this time via the word
Sinsinawa

Significance: Detective Kevin Gannon told me that he found the word Sinsinawa spray painted in red near the site of an early drowning.


Matt Kruziki disappeared on December 23, 2005.

He was last seen at “The River Queen Lounge” in East Dubuque, IL. The address of the strip club is 31 Sinsinawa Avenue. The East Dubuque Police Department is at 193 Sinsinawa Avenue. Matt was recovered in the Mississippi River.


MIKE THE DETECTIVE SAID
Sinsinawa is also an Ojibwe word that means “to lay somebody down”. This usually refers to putting someone in a grave.

JASON STRONGLY DISAGREED
Detective Mike: Unless you can provide a source to verify such, then please realize it’s just a rumour and hearsay, and most likely WRONG.
THEN SOMETHING ABOUT IT COULD MEAN SOMETHING SEXUAL
WHY SAID THAT?

DETECTIVE MIKE ANSWERED

Jason, I’m glad you asked that because there is alot of bad rumors out there. I happen to be Ojibwe and here is the translation:

ziingishin= lie down
awiya= somebody

For those that don’t understand the Ojibwe language, it is a spoken language, not written. So, it is all phonetic. The z ans s sounds are the same in Ojibwe. Usually when you see an Ojibwe word written in English phoneticly, it has evolved to be written so it is more easily read by an English speaking person.

This is exactly where the word Chippewa came from. It is an English corruption of the word Ojibwe (jib wa). It’s easier for an English person to say “Chipp-ewa”.

http://sfkillers.com/?p=265

Anonymous said...

Lisa,
It seems law enforcement agree with my findings on the Ojibwe

THOSE WHO KEEP RECORDS ( OF A VISION) BY DRAWING /PAINTING \PICTURES -GRAFFITI ??

and are looking at the link.
Taken from

http://detectiveforums.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=12228

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I'm going to go out on a limb and really stretch it here, but I have found a common denominator in most of these deaths:

Ojibwe

Anonymous said...

Lisa,

On my moonseed theory.

the various -known to law enforcement- date rape drugs that if they were too properly investigate these cases would be teasted for
ie.
see here date rape drugs
http://www.dplylemd.com/Articles/daterapedrugs.html

As you can see the date and affects of all these KNOWN drugs is comprehensive, and they would test for them if the cases were deemed all muders, But if the Smiley face gang are really smart wouldnt they opt for something more exoticless known?
like my moonseed theory? which has a symbolic relaton also.

Especially if it would not be detected unless specifically looked for.
I think it is worth looking a the list of effects of moonseed again.


MOONSEED FAMILY
In particular, the seeds of all these species may cause a curare-like poisoning;



Disease Information for Curare poisoning/curare-like agents
Synonyms:

Curare, Curare (substance), Curare arrow poison
Definition:

[Add a definition for Curare poisoning/curare-like agents]


Clinical Manifestations
o Signs & Symptoms
+ Cyanosis
+ Slow pulse/Bradycardia
+ Dysphagia/Swallowing difficulties
+ Slack jaw/inability to close mouth
+ Flaccid jaw
+ Muscle tone/decreased
+ Absent knee reflexes
+ Dysarthria
+ Flaccid muscle paralysis
+ General paralysis/General Paresis
+ Level of alertness maintained
+ Pupils fixed/dilated
+ Pupils non reactive
+ Apnea In Children
+ Apnea In Infants/Newborn
+ Dyspnea
+ Hypoventilation/sign
+ Respiratory excursions decreased
+ Shallow breathing
+ Shortness of breath/SOB
+ Acutely ill patient/signs
+ Collapse/Prostration
+ Locked in/eye movement signs
+ Pupillary reaction/sluggish
o Typical Clinical Presentation
+ Presentation/Intentional poisoning healthy person
o Disease Progression
+ Course/Acute
+ Course/Acute only
+ Course/Catastrophic presentation/onset
+ Course/Lethal
+ Onset/Abrupt/Sudden

http://en.diagnosispro.com/disease_information-for/clinical-curare-poisoning-like-agents/12762-104.html

Anonymous said...

Drugs that interfere with nerve function, such as curare, can also cause paralysis. Many causes of this are varied, and could also be unknown.

Anesthesia

Isolated attempts to use curare during anesthesia dates back to 1912 by Arthur Lawen of Leipzig.[14] But curare came to anesthesia via psychiatry (electroplexy). In 1939 Abram Elting Bennett used it to modify metrazol induced convulsive therapy.[15] Muscle relaxants are used in modern anesthesia for many reasons, such as providing optimal operating conditions and facilitating intubation of the trachea. Before muscle relaxants, anesthesiologists needed to use larger doses of the anesthetic agent, such as ether, chloroform or cyclopropane to achieve these aims. Such deep anesthesia risked killing patients that were elderly or had heart conditions. The source of curare in the Amazon was first researched by Richard Evans Schultes in 1941. Since the 1930s, it was being used in hospitals as a muscle relaxant. He discovered that different types of curare called for as many as 15 ingredients, and in time helped to identify more than 70 species that produced the drug [1].

On January 23, 1942, Dr. Harold Griffith and Dr. Enid Johnson gave a synthetic preparation of curare (Intracostin/ Intocostrin) to a patient undergoing an appendectomy (to supplement conventional anesthesia). Curare (d-tubocurarine) is no longer used for anesthesia during surgery as better drugs are now available. When used with halothane d-tubocurarine can cause profound fall in blood pressure in some patients as both the drugs are ganglion blockers. [16]. However, it is safer to use d-tubocurarine with ether.

In 1954, a sensational article was published by Beecher and Todd suggesting that the use of muscle relaxants (drugs similar to curare) increased death due to anesthesia nearly six fold.[17]. This has been completely disproved.

Modern anesthetists have at their disposal a variety of muscle relaxants for use in anesthesia. The ability to produce muscle relaxation independently from anesthesia has permitted anesthesiologists to adjust the two effects separately as needed to ensure that their patients are safely unconscious and sufficiently relaxed to permit surgery. The use of neuromuscular blocking drugs carries with it a very small risk of anaesthesia awareness.

Anonymous said...

Locked in/eye movement signs

A mesencephalic locked-in syndrome
"Total locked-in syndrome", in their opinion, is a condition of virtually total immobility, including all eye movements with signs of undisturbed cortical
http://www.springerlink.com/index/X4520Q268421HMR1.pdf

Anonymous said...

Differential Diagnosis for General paralysis/General Paresis

http://en.diagnosispro.com/differential_diagnosis-for/general-paralysis-paresis/39620-154.html

Paralysis
Definition
Paralysis is defined as complete loss of strength in an affected limb or muscle group.
Description
The chain of nerve cells that runs from the brain through the spinal cord out to the muscle is called the motor pathway. Normal muscle function requires intact connections all along this motor pathway. Damage at any point reduces the brain's ability to control the muscle's movements. This reduced efficiency causes weakness, also called paresis. Complete loss of communication prevents any willed movement at all. This lack of control is called paralysis. Certain inherited abnormalities in muscle cause periodic paralysis, in which the weakness comes and goes.
The line between weakness and paralysis is not absolute. A condition causing weakness may progress to paralysis. On the other hand, strength may be restored to a paralyzed limb. Nerve regeneration or regrowth is one way in which strength can return to a paralyzed muscle. Paralysis almost always causes a change in muscle tone. Paralyzed muscle may be flaccid, flabby, and without appreciable tone, or it may be spastic, tight, and with abnormally high tone that increases when the muscle is moved.
Paralysis may affect an individual muscle, but it usually affects an entire body region. The distribution of weakness is an important clue to the location of the nerve damage that is causing the paralysis. Words describing the distribution of paralysis use the suffix "-plegia," from the Greek word for "stroke." The types of paralysis are classified by region:

* monoplegia, affecting only one limb
* diplegia, affecting the same body region on both sides of the body (both arms, for example, or both sides of the face)
* hemiplegia, affecting one side of the body
* paraplegia, affecting both legs and the trunk
* quadriplegia, affecting all four limbs and the trunk

Causes and symptoms
Causes
The nerve damage that causes paralysis may be in the brain or spinal cord (the central nervous system) or it may be in the nerves outside the spinal cord (the peripheral nervous system). The most common causes of damage to the brain are:

* stroke
* tumor
* trauma (caused by a fall or a blow)
* Multiple sclerosis (a disease that destroys the protective sheath covering nerve cells)
* cerebral palsy (a condition caused by a defect or injury to the brain that occurs at or shortly after birth)
* metabolic disorder (a disorder that interferes with the body's ability to maintain itself)

Damage to the spinal cord is most often caused by trauma, such as a fall or a car crash. Other conditions that may damage nerves within or immediately adjacent to the spine include:

* tumor
* herniated disk (also called a ruptured or slipped disk)
* spondylosis (a disease that causes stiffness in the joints of the spine)
* rheumatoid arthritis of the spine
* neurodegenerative disease (a disease that damages nerve cells)
* multiple sclerosis

Damage to peripheral nerves may be caused by:

* trauma
* compression or entrapment (such as carpal tunnel syndrome)
* Guillain-Barré syndrome (a disease of the nerves that sometimes follows fever caused by a viral infection or immunization)
* chronic inflammatory demyelinating polyradiculoneuropathy (CIDP) (a condition that causes pain and swelling in the protective sheath covering nerve cells)
* radiation
* inherited demyelinating disease (a condition that destroys the protective sheath around the nerve cell)
* toxins or poisons

Symptoms
The distribution of paralysis offers important clues to the site of nerve damage. Hemiplegia is almost always caused by brain damage on the side opposite the paralysis, often from a stroke. Paraplegia occurs after injury to the lower spinal cord, and quadriplegia occurs after damage to the upper spinal cord at the level of the shoulders or higher (the nerves controlling the arms leave the spine at that level). Diplegia usually indicates brain damage, most often from cerebral palsy. Monoplegia may be caused by isolated damage to either the central or the peripheral nervous system. Weakness or paralysis that occurs only in the arms and legs may indicate demyelinating disease. Fluctuating symptoms in different parts of the body may be caused by multiple sclerosis.
Sudden paralysis is most often caused by injury or stroke. Spreading paralysis may indicate degenerative disease, inflammatory disease such as Guillain-Barré syndrome or CIDP, metabolic disorders, or inherited demyelinating disease.
Other symptoms often accompany paralysis from any cause. These symptoms may include numbness and tingling, pain, changes in vision, difficulties with speech, or problems with balance. Spinal cord injury often causes loss of function in the bladder, bowel, and sexual organs. High spinal cord injuries may cause difficulties in breathing.

Anonymous said...

aobe is the answer to

why do people willingly just fall into water???

Anonymous said...

if they hate their athletisism

Paralysis
Definition

Paralysis is defined as complete loss of strength in an affected limb or muscle group.

materialeesta said...

It is hard to make any assertion on the toxicology of the victims with these cases - who knows what kind of tests are being performed. Bill Szostak has said that the police determined the cause of death post autopsy findings but pre toxicology findings, so in that particular case it can be assumed the police were not waiting for an in depth report and more than likely have not tested for a wide array of substances.



In any case, i doubt that the toxicology tests that have been performed on the victims have ALL come out completely drug free - THAT would be kinda suspicious.. (college = weed in every other dorm)

materialeesta said...

re: BATMAN

I'm sorry, my wording was weird...I meant that there was no track back to sfkillersDOTCOM (OBVIOUSLY the article itself was about the killers)

And in regards to the HSK(Initiative), which i worded even weirder, I only meant to point out that since the FBI is actively seeking out files of truck driver routes, MAYBE, and only maybe, might some light be shed in regards to whether or not similarities exist between the HSK and SFK - only because the SFK was once called the i90/i94 killer and some people maintain that a truck may be the mode of transportation. In any case, AND MORE IMPORTANTLY, the HSK will definately shed some psychology towards solving the SFK. (Since both cases, in my my opinion, can only be solved with fresher, twenty first century approaches of investigation since both don't follow previous known understandings of serial killer operation) Now with such a large, massive plan of action being sought for the highway dumped female victims, there is now a chance the FBI will take on a new approach toward the unsolved cases of water dumped male victims. Slim chance, I know, I'm saying it to, but ya never know what the FBI is actually working on.

I kinda think this post made no sense either.. I think I'm gonna take a break from the posts for a few days. I'm going a little bit cray cray.

Anonymous said...

ANOTHER TRAGEDY IN PORTLAND
THIS MUST END


Rafael Velichko

Investigation continues in Columbia Gorge death of MHCC student

Christina Hammett
The Advocate

As detectives examine the evidence behind the recent death of Mt. Hood Community College student Rafael Velichko, his former instructors and friends recount their memories and attempt to piece together the puzzle of what may have occurred.

An avid jazz pianist, Velichko played piano at his church as part of a youth group band. Sulamita Slavic Evangelical Church in Fairview posted a notice of Velichko’s death on their website Feb. 13, a day after the young man’s body was found in the Columbia River Gorge. The notice said, “This week we had a tragic loss in our church family. We have lost a friend, a brother, and a talented person. Rafael Velichko is no longer with us.” As of press time, members of the church could not be reached for further comment.

The part-time student’s former instructors, biology instructor Lee Mitchell and jazz band director Susie Jones, recall the student in different ways.

Jones, who had Velichko in class this quarter said, “He was a talented pianist and had a love of jazz. He entered my class because he wanted to learn more about music and jazz as a whole.”

Mitchell, who Velichko took multiple biology courses with, said, “He picked up some material and some stuff he just didn’t get at all. He struggled with some assignments and things outside of class. I think there were other things that might have been taking him away from his studies.”

According to Detective J. Torrez of the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Department and lead investigator on the case, Velichko was in an afternoon class with Jones Feb. 11, the last day he was seen alive. “He was last seen by his teacher Susie Jones when he was in her class at 12:30 p.m. Tuesday,” he said.

Jones said Wednesday, “I suspect that I was one of the last people to see him alive.” The jazz band director added that Velichko asked if he could leave class early that day.

Multnomah County Sheriff’s Department Deputy Paul McRedmond, the department’s public information officer, said Velichko’s cell phone and keys have not yet been located, so if he received a phone call during class prompting him to leave, they have not yet been able to investigate that possibility. “If that is so, we’ll find out who might have called and we’ll look into that. (His cell phone and keys) haven’t been located yet. It’s still an active investigation and the information is top secret.” Torrez said after Velichko left MHCC, he called his father, whom he lives with in Portland, and said “he was on his way home to get something to eat,” but he never made it home.

Torrez said two hikers located Velichko’s body the morning of Feb. 12. “Sheriff’s patrol was dispatched on Wednesday the 11th at around 10:30 a.m,” he said. The young man, who was found only in a pair of blue underwear, was later determined by the Multnomah County medical examiner to have died from hypothermia. According to weather.com, the low temperature in Troutdale, the gateway to the Columbia River Gorge, on the morning of Feb. 12 was 27 degrees and the winds were blowing about 10 to 15 miles per hour. Torrez believes there was about one to two inches of snow at the location where Velichko’s body was found, on a trailhead by Multnomah Falls near milepost 1.8 and close to Ecola Falls.

Torrez said none of Velichko’s clothing has been located despite a long search he supervised.

“I went back to the point where the hikers began seeing evidence of walking through snow in bare feet,” he said. He speculates that snow is covering some of his clothing items. While he was searching, Torrez began sensing what may have happened to Velichko.

“I was very hot and I had to take my jacket off. But then (I had to) put it back on because I began getting cold within minutes. And that was during the day. I can’t imagine what it would have been like at night,” he said. “The medical examiner mentioned that people experience euphoria (with hypothermia). They think they’re hot and they start taking their clothes off.” He believes this may have occurred in Velichko’s case. “It’s very treacherous this time of year. Sometimes you can’t tell where the trail begins and ends,” he said. Torrez thinks Velichko may have gotten off the trail somehow, found his way back to a different area and in the process, simply lost his way. “There have been several instances like that. It’s not uncommon.”

The detective also said the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Department is looking at the situation as an accidental case at the moment but “we do not rule out anything until the end.” McRedmond added that “there is nothing to tag it as a suspicious death (right now.)”

The toxicology report is still out and he said it will be a while before they are able to get the results back, thereby possibly eliminating or confirming the presence of drugs or alcohol in Velichko’s system at the time of death.

According to Torrez, there are no suspects yet. “We’re not targeting anybody, but that may change today or tomorrow,” he said. “We’re investigating everything and we’ll eliminate every angle that we can. We want to do everything we can to find out what happened to Rafael.”

Don Oliver, director of Mt. Hood Community College Public Safety, said Wednesday that his department is not involved in the “official” investigation. However, McRedmond said Thursday that a briefcase he believes may have belonged to Velichko was turned into the lost and found in the College Center, given to Public Safety last week and then turned over to the sheriff’s department. “The contents are part of the investigative piece. Once the investigation is over, the news will become public but it will be kept quiet until then,” he said. He added that some public safety officers will be interviewed in the near future.

McRedmond and Torrez said they are also looking to MHCC students to help solve the case. “If any students may have talked to him, (please call us,)” said McRedmond. “Sometimes the least detail gives closure to a case.”

Torrez added, “If you’re up there (at Multnomah Falls) and you find clothing that looks suspicious, you could help us a lot. Do not touch (them), mark the trail where you see them and call 9-1-1,” he said. “If you have any info about Rafael and why he was up there that day, let us know.”

Jones, possibly the last person to see the young man alive, recalls her short time as music instructor to Velichko. “We were just getting to know him,” she said.

http://www.advocate-online.net/22009/ColumbiaGorgeDeath.php


HIS MY SPACE


http://www.myspace.com/simple_julz

have you looked at this case in oregon. I am not saying it is connected to any of this but it is strange that his keys, cell phone and other clothes were not yet found. If you check out his facebook you will see he was a young college christian who showed pride in that. I just want to be sure that people more knowledgable than myself have seen this.

GOD COMFORT AND BLESS HIS FAMILY AND FREINDS

Anonymous said...

i noticed this straightaway

maybe an anti-christian bias or something more?
how unfeeling an epitaph to give of someone who has just been found dead?

mitchell was a biology teacher

Mitchell, who Velichko took multiple biology courses with, said, “He picked up some material and some stuff he just didn’t get at all. He struggled with some assignments and things outside of class. I think there were other things that might have been taking him away from his studies.”

Anonymous said...

“He was last seen by his teacher Susie Jones when he was in her class at 12:30 p.m. Tuesday,”

yet detective in charge says


“I was very hot and I had to take my jacket off. But then (I had to) put it back on because I began getting cold within minutes. And that was during the day. I can’t imagine what it would have been like at night,” he said.

Anonymous said...

i am sick of this someone is murdering people again and again

Anonymous said...

THE WALKING FREE MEMEBER OF THE DOD
CLAIMED HIS GANG IS OVER 300 MEMEBERS
AND HAS KILLED 40 YOUNG MEN

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=232688443
notice the smiley gang image graphic symbol of the target
he has basically admitted it and is smiling free.


“I am me and there is no one like me, so back off before you get put down on the ground.” A friend writes on his site, “I also have a fascination with serial killers … the more u learn about history the better a person can learn from other peoples’ mistakes.”


http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message661035/pg1

Anonymous said...

part after interviewing Alford. The team then talked to the FBI, which made an attempt to investigate, but not enough to satisfy Gannon (see “Sensenbrenner and the FBI,” page 76).

He may have a point. Milwaukee Magazine has interviewed police in Iowa and Minnesota and examined investigative documents in New Brighton, all of which paints a portrait of a gang called the Dealers of Death with links to Jeramy Alford.

The Alford brothers are from rural Iowa, near Cedar Rapids, which is 75 miles from East Dubuque. They’d also lived in the Minneapolis area, sometimes shuttling back and forth between states.

“They were a transient family who became well-known to us,” says Detective Bob Knoop of the Williamsburg, Iowa, police department. “They lived in subsidized housing and then in a trailer park. We had been watching them for illegal drug activity. Jeramy was one of those guys who couldn’t keep out of the way of the police.”

In 2005, Knoop says, Jeramy Alford was arrested for harboring runaways. Police discovered he’d branded one of them, using a hot razor to create the beginnings of a five-point star. “He told them he would take them to Minnesota and make them part of his gang,” Knoop says. Alford claimed his group was a political subdivision of a Chicago gang; another cop remembers the name as the “Dealers of Death.”

David Miller, who prosecuted Jeramy Alford for the murder of Douglas Miller, says Alford had tried to falsely blame that homicide on fellow gang members nicknamed Zmiley and Roach. As a result, the police questioned these two men.

Zmiley told police that the Dealers of Death had 300 members. “I was once a part of a little clique they had called the DOD,” the records quote Zmiley as saying. DOD stood for “Dealers of Death” and was based in Iowa, he said.

Zmiley said he was on antipsychotic medication, lived in a tent by the river, was a regular at Brothers bar in Minneapolis, and had engaged in violence in the past. He claimed Alford confessed to murdering a college student in an Indian costume. But Zmiley remembered the victim’s name as Andrew, not Chris Jenkins. However, according to David Miller, Alford once had a jail visit with a relative and spent his “precious 15 minutes” discussing a possible alibi for Halloween, the night Jenkins was killed.

“He [Alford] just said, ‘I killed this stupid looking dude and I threw him over the bridge,’ ” Zmiley told police.

Roach, who has a Minnesota criminal record, also told police he’d been a member of a gang he referred to as “DOD” and then called Dealers of Death. He said Jeramy Alford was the leader. (Zmiley told police someone else had taken over the gang after Alford was incarcerated.) Alford declined to be interviewed by Milwaukee Magazine. But when questioned by FBI agents, he claimed the DOD gang had murdered 40 young men.

Detective Gary Sykes of the New Brighton police department, who investigated the Miller homicide, is convinced the DOD gang robbed people for drug money, mostly in Minneapolis. “They hung out on the street all night and slept where they could during the day. Did Alford kill Chris Jenkins? It’s possible. Is he involved in other deaths? They are capable of almost anything, especially Jeramy. They have no compassion for human life. They were just plain weird.”

Head to the Internet, and it gets even weirder. Zmiley’s devil-worshipping Internet profile contains a flaming skull over a pentacle and reads, “I am me and there is no one like me, so back off before you get put down on the ground.” A friend writes on his site, “I also have a fascination with serial killers … the more u learn about history the better a person can learn from other peoples’ mistakes.”

Could Alford’s gang be the smiley face killers who murdered some of these young men? “I believe they were a part of it,” says Steve Jenkins, the father of Chris. “The FBI is not doing enough to confirm it.”

Local law enforcement authorities are more guarded. But like Sykes, they believe the DOD gang could be connected to the murder of young men. “It’s plausible,” says David Miller. Alford has already shown what he’s capable of. “He killed a defenseless man,” says Knoop, the Iowa cop. But Knoop adds that Alford is an untrustworthy character who “likes to brag.” He wants the FBI to take a closer look.
ZMILEY ALSO HAS A GAY FREIND WHO HAS THE EVIL SKULL IMAGERY ON THEIR SITE
I wonder if he knows what zmiley claims to have been involved with?


http://www.myspace.com/tj_boi04

Anonymous said...

another freind of zmiley
pic
http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/40/m_6b2faaf4093873041ad39776ef3ed7cc.jpg

monkybat
Kyle Acunia
""His voice was soft, his manner mild He seldom laughed but he often smiled He'd seen how civilized men behave He never forgot and he never forgave Not Sweeney Not Sweeney Todd The Demon Barber of Fleet Street..." "The Ballad of Sweeney Todd" By Stephen S"

Male
21 years old
MINNEAPOLIS, Minnesota
United States

Anonymous said...

another link to zmiley
couldnt get much more creepy than this MR SMILEY28

AKA THE "JERSEY BOY"
THIS IS MR SMILEY
http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/59/m_f35ae6cb0c264df1ba8db39a4c077a14.jpg

http://www.myspace.com/mrsmiley28
"I'm troubled, I'm dissatisfied. I'm Irish."

Male
34 years old
EHT,
United States



Last Login: 4/13/2009
Mood: insubordinate

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/59/m_f35ae6cb0c264df1ba8db39a4c077a14.jpg

i got here via one of zmileys freinds who is 17 years old
http://www.myspace.com/kiefat

and says he wants to rape someone who looks very much like
A VICTIM
http://sfkillers.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/jesse-ross-150x150.jpg

http://www.myspace.com/kiefat
Occupation: about to rape tyler
Income: $150,000 to $250,000
http://sfkillers.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/jesse-ross-150x150.jpg

THIS IS THE PROFILE OF THE LOOKALIKE SEEMS TO BE FROM ISREAL

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/67/m_f8e028e759bb4fb98e6878559a0db8d5.jpg
http://www.myspace.com/651mob

HES ALSO LISTED AS A NEW FRIEND OF THE FREIND OF ZMILEY, kiefat.

Anonymous said...

here is the biggy
WOW THIS IS REALLY CREEPY


another link to zmiley
couldnt get much more creepy than this MR SMILEY28

AKA THE "JERSEY BOY"
THIS IS MR SMILEY

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/59/m_f35ae6cb0c264df1ba8db39a4c077a14.jpg

http://www.myspace.com/mrsmiley28
"I'm troubled, I'm dissatisfied. I'm Irish."

Male
34 years old
EHT,
United States



Last Login: 4/13/2009
Mood: insubordinate

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/59/m_f35ae6cb0c264df1ba8db39a4c077a14.jpg

i got here via one of zmileys freinds who is 17 years old
http://www.myspace.com/kiefat

and says he wants to rape someone who looks very much like
A VICTIM
http://sfkillers.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/jesse-ross-150x150.jpg

http://www.myspace.com/kiefat
Occupation: about to rape tyler
Income: $150,000 to $250,000

AGAIN THE VICTM
http://sfkillers.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/jesse-ross-150x150.jpg

NOW COMPARE

THIS IS THE PROFILE OF THE LOOKALIKE THAT THE FREIND OF MR SMILEY SAYS HE WANTS TO RAPE .
CHECK OUT MR SMILEY AGAIN
http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/59/m_f35ae6cb0c264df1ba8db39a4c077a14.jpg

ARE YOU CREEPED OUT YET?

THE KID SEEMS TO BE FROM ISREAL

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/67/m_f8e028e759bb4fb98e6878559a0db8d5.jpg
http://www.myspace.com/651mob

HES ALSO LISTED AS A NEW FRIEND OF THE FREIND OF ZMILEY, kiefat.




REMEMBER

In 2005, Knoop says, Jeramy Alford was arrested for harboring runaways. Police discovered he’d branded one of them, using a hot razor to create the beginnings of a five-point star. “He told them he would take them to Minnesota and make them part of his gang,”

AND

Zmiley told police that the Dealers of Death had 300 members. “I was once a part of a little clique they had called the DOD,” the records quote Zmiley as saying. DOD stood for “Dealers of Death” and was based in Iowa


AND
ZMILEY TOLD POLICE

“He [Alford] just said, ‘I killed this stupid looking dude and I threw him over the bridge,’ ” Zmiley told police.


AND

He said Jeramy Alford was the leader. (Zmiley told police someone else had taken over the gang after Alford was incarcerated.)

IS THIS HIM??

http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/59/m_f35ae6cb0c264df1ba8db39a4c077a14.jpg

Lisa said...

Materiaalista,

Good point about the toxicology tests. We don't know IF toxicology tests are always run or what drugs are looked for. Can anyone comment on this?

In my own reasearch, the reports are not always released to the press. And when they are, they are very general.

I do know that in some of the cases it was reported that GHB (Rohypnol) was not found. I know weed was found in a few cases. There are probably more, but perhaps the drug information was not released to the media at the request of the families.

Lisa said...

What I said about "circular argument" did not come off how I meant it online.

I'm not making an insult, only pointing out that until we do more digging, this is what it is. Boy in the Machine posted a good example of what I meant by this.

I CAN see why you would want to link Yellow Medicine to moonseed and yelloh. It is intriguing and maybe you could look into the other cases to see if they fit into it somehow. (Anonymous 12:49 had a good point--perhaps there are other connections that we don't know about yet!)

I'm just saying more work needs to be done to support the Yellow Theory so that each piece of the puzzle can stand on it's own. That's all. REALLY.

BoyintheMachine said...

Another great pic of circular reasoning:

http://importreason.files.wordpress.com/2007/04/circular.png

Examples of circular reasoning:

1.)A is true
2.)How dow we know A is true?
3.)Because B is true.
4.)How do we know B is true?
5.)Because A is true.
6.)Repeat to infinity

Now, just as in the pic, circular reasoning can become so complex that people can't easily tell that it's circular reasoning.

Here's an example:

1.) A is true.
2.) How do we know A is true?
3.) Because B is true.
4.) How do we know B is true?
5.) Because C is true.
6.) How do we know C is true?
7.) Because D is true.
8.) How do we know D is true?

(continues until reaching Z)

Because Z is true.
How do we know Z is true?
Because A is true.
Repeat to infinity
(See how it loops right back to the beginning there.)

When the conclusion is the start and finish of an argument it is almost always circular reasoning.

BoyintheMachine said...

Sorry, to view the image above you have to finish the link with 'circular dot png'.

Anonymous said...

circular reasoning, in your opinion, is used by whom? 2 year olds with low iqs?

BoyintheMachine said...

Att: Anonymous at 4:09,

Please realize that I gave only extremely simple examples of circular reasoning.

Circular reasoning can be so complex that people don't recognize it for such.

Other times it can be so simple that we overlook it.

Anybody and everybody is vulnerable to circular reasoning, as well as any other fallacies in reasoning.

Anonymous said...

You should know Boy. Anyone is vulnerable. They wouldn't make good criminologists.

Are you saying criminologists use circular reasoning or are you pointing at us out here who are grasping at straws.

Anonymous said...

I would say boy in the machines speculations, like suicide, friends did it, his dreams of Anna is an example of grasping at straws. Not any kind of reasoning at all.

BoyintheMachine said...

Anonymous @ 6:44,

Anybody can fall into a circular reasoning trap. Anybody includes me, you, criminologists, and anybody else.

BoyintheMachine said...

Anonymous @ 6:47,

What are you talking about? You seriously think police don't consider every option?

What's this about dreams about Anna, because I've never sated such on this blog. I had a dream, which I blogged about, but I've never said it was Anna nor did I accuse her of anything.

It's always interesting how people attack those who refuse to jump on the bandwagon.

Anonymous said...

Boy, I'm sorry about implying by telling us your dream.

I would like to know how you would call any of the crazy topics we discuss here from moonseeds to white vans as jumping on the bandwagon. There is no single belief among any two of the commenters. It seems to me that you don't want anyone to examine anything. What's it to you.
We can't question the witnesses unless they come here. We can't see the evidence.

I don't understand why you would bring up suicide when Dan was yelling for help on the cell phone. Is that good reasoning?

Anonymous said...

Some volunteers searched the wooded areas immediately off the walking paths with metal detectors near St. Clair Ave. and Mississippi River Blvd. Volunteers were looking for Dan's iPhone or pieces of the phone with the detectors.

Today was also the community clean up along the same area. Many people were picking up trash and debris in the wooded areas near the river.

BatMan said...

*ENOUGH WIT THE CIRCULAR REASONIG*
People Wow!
&
"BOY in th Machine"
I coulda swore you personally bid these topics A farewell or was it "Adieu". Quite some time ago?
Yes No,,,,?
Either Way i dont care I aint here 2 bash other bloggers.
But
I wasn't wrong "Boyinthemachine"
I merely stated & corrected a confusing (to me at the time) comment.

That THE FBI. has launched a task-force called "THE HIGHWAY SERIAL KILLERS INITIATIVE".There focus is Truck-Drivers who Kill Women, mainly Prostitutes.

She (Materialeesta) made it seem like THSKI. where going after SFK. She, Then again recently RE-POSTED something too the likes of -"I HOPE THEY GET SFK. AS WELL as THE ORIGINAL TARGETs. An she admitted it was a bit confusing.

Sooo,nobody was wrong, Really other than you(Boyindamachine)in saying that I was wrong.
Then posted a bunch of PROF. GILBERTSON Links up.
Like anybody who posts here Doesn't already know of the I-90/94 'URBAN LEGEND' Serial Killer(s) PRIOR too ABC News reporter: Kristi "Cuttie" Piehl. Putting THE WHOLE 'URBAN LEGEND' ON BLAST & RENAMING IT THE SFK's. Due too the NEW hypothesis pieced together by the 2 Retired NY.Detectives.

Soo thatz, that.

An after looking at this YELLOH & SWIRLEY (Labryinth) Graffiti,the other day. -WoW- how similar it iz too other River Bound Mpls Graffiti(Font-Wise) that i personally found in a very Low to NO Traffic area I actually used to work by.

& Now, Since them NEW (At least to my knowledge) GILBERSTON Pics came-out, That YELLOH on the Railing Is CONNECTED (same font) an everyone here is either On TO SOMETHING or GILBERTSON & his team are Way off...
(Depending on the Newley released GILBERTSON photos,that I never had scene online untill now. Unless someone on the Team published them b-4.???)

-we don't need anymore copycats- THAT IS WHY IM HESITANT TOO SAY what i could say. But compare BOTH an see if you notice what i noticed?

Because one of them is Mpls. IF NOT,,,,, an exact match, but if them Prof. pics weren't published untill (4/16) Now ...

HHHHmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm?

BoyintheMachine said...

Att: Anonymous @ 9:07,

Please reread my comment above yours. Do you seriously think the police have no considered the suicide possibility?

The supposed last words have been called into question, but apparantly there was some cry for help. This also can be interpreted in a number of ways.

I'm not pushing the suicide possibility, just aknowledging it as being a possibility.

Anonymous said...

Boy-

I really don't care. They have the evidence. They talked to the family and friends about him.

But I believed what Anna said because I saw her saying it on TV. Maybe I shouldn't believe anybody. But based on his call for help and what I know about people who want to kill themselves, it just didn't jive.

Suicide never occurred to me and I would be surprised if it was seriously considered by the investigators.

Thatz all I know about Thatz

Anonymous said...

Batman-

Pleez

No need to be condescending about the PR/journalist person. OK!

She knowz whatz sheez doingz

Anonymous said...

Batman-I don't know what you saw. A couple more grafitti but I'm no expert and I couldn't read the labels. Did you see the same picture from say mpls but with a different label under it?

Anonymous said...

THE WALKING FREE MEMBER OF THE DOD -DEALERS OF DEATH
CLAIMED HIS GANG IS OVER 300 MEMEBERS
AND HAS KILLED 40 YOUNG MEN

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=232688443

The is zmileys my space page
on that page their is a freind of his whos gay who has chosen the skull motifs
http://www.myspace.com/tj_boi04

on his page tj_boi04's there is another freind

http://www.myspace.com/kiefat
keifat has some intresting freinds and has some gang logo that i came across earleir in my research
kiefat
Male
17 years old
Status: Married
Here for: Networking, Dating, Serious Relationships, Friends
Orientation: Straight
Hometown: minneapolis
Body type: 5' 8" / Athletic
Ethnicity: Native American
Religion: Christian - other
Zodiac Sign: Aquarius
Education: High school
Occupation: about to rape tyler
Income: $150,000 to $250,0

keifats gang logo
✡ψ 74 til the world blowzψ✡ 's Blurbs
About me:
6 CROWIN 5 DROWIN 6 FLYIN 5 DIEN 6 PIMPIN 5 LIMPIN 6 FLA66IN 5 DRA66IN 6 BUCCIN 5 DUCCIN 6 6UNNIN 5 RUNNIN 6 SIPPIN 5 DRIPPIN 6 PISSIN 5 HISSIN 6 POPPIN 5 DROPIN 6 ALIVE 5 MUST DIE let it rain let it flood let a crip kill a blood let it rain let it drip kill a slob cause i claim folk let it rain let it thunda bury a slob 6 feat unda wen i die show no pitty bring my soul to a gangsta city 6 flyen 5 dyen 6 poppen 5 droppen cant stop wont stop bk all day everyday mutha fuckas ill kill u any day throw the 6 up take the 5 down 6 all day cant take my crown fuck all the slobs kill em wit my knife bk all day every day folks 4 life bitch u no how it is

this gang lingo is worrying is it a front?
anyway this is a connection from zmiley to keifat
then keifat has a friend called the jersey boy on his freinds list, when you click it his name is not jersey boy its MRSMILEY28

MR SMILEY HAS CHOSEN A VERY CREEPY PICTURE FOR HIS PROFILE
http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/59/m_f35ae6cb0c264df1ba8db39a4c077a14.jpg
Jersey Boy
"I'm troubled, I'm dissatisfied. I'm Irish."

Male
34 years old
EHT,
United States



Last Login: 4/13/2009
http://www.myspace.com/mrsmiley28

MR SMILEY HAS A LINK TO ANOTHERPERSON VIA FREINDS OF HIS

ICP ANGELDUST
http://us.profile.myspace.cn/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=206602633

"You scream and nobody seems to hear you..."

COLUMBUS, Ohio
美国
HE ALSO HAS CHOSEN A VERY CREEPY PROFILE PICTURE

http://a4.ac-images.cdnmyspace.cn/images01/60/m_0c3262a1bac45ad218ae76591199a4f6.jpg
AND HIS MAIN PAGE PICTURE IS OF A KID READING A SATANIC BOOK
http://www.satanspace.com/m_pictures/kid-satanic-bible.jpg

Insane Clown Posse, Twiztid, Mudvayne, Marilyn Manson, Esham, Johnny Cash, horror, bloodshed, juggalos. And every serial killer, outlaw, reject, scrub, and misunderstood genius. This is why I choose to do music.
音乐之声 Every bad, evil thought you've ever had in your life, everything you're too afraid to admit you think about.

HIS FREINDS INCLUDE
http://profile.myspace.cn/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=79922007
ANOTHER friend of his
seriel killer calender
http://profile.myspace.cn/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=54413815

AND A FREIND OF
and a friend of
seriel killer calender

R.I.P CODY CASEY (DEDICATED TO CODY CASE WHO DIED)

YOU SO DAMAN STEAZY
BUT IT HAS SOME GRIM ARTWORK
PIC ON PAGE BIG SMILEY BLOOD ALL OVER IT
WITH DATE ON IT
O3.06.09
http://us.profile.myspace.cn/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=179132963

THEN ON THAT PAGE A FREIND COMMENT
so hows shit hitting the fan u crazy F****?
THIS COMES FROM

"Blah haha i'm screwed :P"


18 岁
Time To Own Up, Minnesota
美国



上次登录时间: 2009/4/19
aLL THIS TREK WAS MADE FROM ZMILEY'S MY SPACE PAGE

zmiley was a member of the dealers of death gang.
it led to mrsmiley28
and to younger people who are linked to him via freinds links
there is openely satanic material
serial killer material
big smiley faces
and then at the end of the trail a young kid who says on his profile

Blah haha i'm screwed
Time To Own Up,

hes from Minnesota

BatMan said...

My Teams Grafitti Conclusion.
Is it Clue? - Possibly
It reads-YELL-OH(an attached Spiral to the H)
Dan's Last Words were supposedly-
"OHHH,,God,,,somebody help"

Perhaps the yellow Graffiti reads-
(DANs LAST WORD)???

Dan "YELLED" - (YELL)
"Ohhhh" - (OH)
God/Goddess- (Swirly/Spiral)

???????-Makes Ya Think-????????

Although the Symbol(found at the yellow Graffiti's end) Is a Spiral/Swirl/Labyrith is an ancient symbol redolent with profound symbolic interpretations in many of different cultures. = Itz common in almost all with either a Goddess (Fertility), the moon, water, an Re-birth as well as involoution & evolution.

Now specifically THE LABYRINTH (if that is what it was made to resemble, at the end of the yellow "YELLOH" graffiti). THE LABYRINTH USUALLY REPRESENTS a MYSTERY which THE INITIATE can also DISCOVER by following itz path.

-AN THAT MAKES SCAAAARY SENSE!

So whatever Dan's LAST WORDS really where, we can never be sure.
But-
If they where =
"Ohhh,God somebody help"

THATZ WHAT THE YELLOW GRAFFITI AT THE WWI MONUMENT, IS SAYING.

--------------------------
Yelloh+Spiral=Dan Zamlens LAST WORDS...
(see above fro explanation)

AN THATZ ARE CONCLUSION AS OF NOW...

Anonymous said...

The word Yahweh comes to mind when I read yelloh.

Yahweh means God. Sometimes translated to mean falling. It is often not spelled all the way out when written.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 1

Some facts:

1. I have found graffiti in the area where yellow is spelled yello, same paint and hand writing

2. There is a statistically significant number of college aged males missing and ending up in water (rivers,lakes) even when drowning rates, missing young females is looked at...

3. There is something more to this
than accidents.(usually men go on lakes in winter for recreation)

4. The question is what is the link and how are they linked, which boys are included and which are not included?

I read each case last night and was surprised by the number of boys having contact with the police prior to going missing snd ending up in water. I'm sure this has been obvious to many people and I'd like to know more thoughts.
I'll share mine and please play devil's advocate if you wish because the more we are challenged the more we might get some where and see our own lack of reasoning.

Police link to cases:

1. It is a cop
2. It is 2 cops that are brothers (Brother's Bar)
3.Perp. uses a police scanner to aide in his locating new victim
4.It is some one who despises police so has implicated them to some degree by police being involved prior to them going missing
5. It is a security person (goes under radar)
6. An impersonator of security/police
7. 3,4 and 5

Any other ideas?

Anonymous said...

Lisa have you seen this?
why is it not listed on the site?


ANOTHER TRAGEDY IN PORTLAND
THIS MUST END


Rafael Velichko

Investigation continues in Columbia Gorge death of MHCC student

Christina Hammett
The Advocate

As detectives examine the evidence behind the recent death of Mt. Hood Community College student Rafael Velichko, his former instructors and friends recount their memories and attempt to piece together the puzzle of what may have occurred.

An avid jazz pianist, Velichko played piano at his church as part of a youth group band. Sulamita Slavic Evangelical Church in Fairview posted a notice of Velichko’s death on their website Feb. 13, a day after the young man’s body was found in the Columbia River Gorge. The notice said, “This week we had a tragic loss in our church family. We have lost a friend, a brother, and a talented person. Rafael Velichko is no longer with us.” As of press time, members of the church could not be reached for further comment.

The part-time student’s former instructors, biology instructor Lee Mitchell and jazz band director Susie Jones, recall the student in different ways.

Jones, who had Velichko in class this quarter said, “He was a talented pianist and had a love of jazz. He entered my class because he wanted to learn more about music and jazz as a whole.”

Mitchell, who Velichko took multiple biology courses with, said, “He picked up some material and some stuff he just didn’t get at all. He struggled with some assignments and things outside of class. I think there were other things that might have been taking him away from his studies.”

According to Detective J. Torrez of the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Department and lead investigator on the case, Velichko was in an afternoon class with Jones Feb. 11, the last day he was seen alive. “He was last seen by his teacher Susie Jones when he was in her class at 12:30 p.m. Tuesday,” he said.

Jones said Wednesday, “I suspect that I was one of the last people to see him alive.” The jazz band director added that Velichko asked if he could leave class early that day.

Multnomah County Sheriff’s Department Deputy Paul McRedmond, the department’s public information officer, said Velichko’s cell phone and keys have not yet been located, so if he received a phone call during class prompting him to leave, they have not yet been able to investigate that possibility. “If that is so, we’ll find out who might have called and we’ll look into that. (His cell phone and keys) haven’t been located yet. It’s still an active investigation and the information is top secret.” Torrez said after Velichko left MHCC, he called his father, whom he lives with in Portland, and said “he was on his way home to get something to eat,” but he never made it home.

Torrez said two hikers located Velichko’s body the morning of Feb. 12. “Sheriff’s patrol was dispatched on Wednesday the 11th at around 10:30 a.m,” he said. The young man, who was found only in a pair of blue underwear, was later determined by the Multnomah County medical examiner to have died from hypothermia. According to weather.com, the low temperature in Troutdale, the gateway to the Columbia River Gorge, on the morning of Feb. 12 was 27 degrees and the winds were blowing about 10 to 15 miles per hour. Torrez believes there was about one to two inches of snow at the location where Velichko’s body was found, on a trailhead by Multnomah Falls near milepost 1.8 and close to Ecola Falls.

Torrez said none of Velichko’s clothing has been located despite a long search he supervised.

“I went back to the point where the hikers began seeing evidence of walking through snow in bare feet,” he said. He speculates that snow is covering some of his clothing items. While he was searching, Torrez began sensing what may have happened to Velichko.

“I was very hot and I had to take my jacket off. But then (I had to) put it back on because I began getting cold within minutes. And that was during the day. I can’t imagine what it would have been like at night,” he said. “The medical examiner mentioned that people experience euphoria (with hypothermia). They think they’re hot and they start taking their clothes off.” He believes this may have occurred in Velichko’s case. “It’s very treacherous this time of year. Sometimes you can’t tell where the trail begins and ends,” he said. Torrez thinks Velichko may have gotten off the trail somehow, found his way back to a different area and in the process, simply lost his way. “There have been several instances like that. It’s not uncommon.”

The detective also said the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Department is looking at the situation as an accidental case at the moment but “we do not rule out anything until the end.” McRedmond added that “there is nothing to tag it as a suspicious death (right now.)”

The toxicology report is still out and he said it will be a while before they are able to get the results back, thereby possibly eliminating or confirming the presence of drugs or alcohol in Velichko’s system at the time of death.

According to Torrez, there are no suspects yet. “We’re not targeting anybody, but that may change today or tomorrow,” he said. “We’re investigating everything and we’ll eliminate every angle that we can. We want to do everything we can to find out what happened to Rafael.”

Don Oliver, director of Mt. Hood Community College Public Safety, said Wednesday that his department is not involved in the “official” investigation. However, McRedmond said Thursday that a briefcase he believes may have belonged to Velichko was turned into the lost and found in the College Center, given to Public Safety last week and then turned over to the sheriff’s department. “The contents are part of the investigative piece. Once the investigation is over, the news will become public but it will be kept quiet until then,” he said. He added that some public safety officers will be interviewed in the near future.

McRedmond and Torrez said they are also looking to MHCC students to help solve the case. “If any students may have talked to him, (please call us,)” said McRedmond. “Sometimes the least detail gives closure to a case.”

Torrez added, “If you’re up there (at Multnomah Falls) and you find clothing that looks suspicious, you could help us a lot. Do not touch (them), mark the trail where you see them and call 9-1-1,” he said. “If you have any info about Rafael and why he was up there that day, let us know.”

Jones, possibly the last person to see the young man alive, recalls her short time as music instructor to Velichko. “We were just getting to know him,” she said.

http://www.advocate-online.net/22009/ColumbiaGorgeDeath.php


HIS MY SPACE


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have you looked at this case in oregon. I am not saying it is connected to any of this but it is strange that his keys, cell phone and other clothes were not yet found. If you check out his facebook you will see he was a young college christian who showed pride in that. I just want to be sure that people more knowledgable than myself have seen this.

GOD COMFORT AND BLESS HIS FAMILY AND FREINDS


Lisa have you seen this?
why is it not listed on the site?
there have been others in portland.

Anonymous said...

Rafael Velichko
student
church member
was talented
went missing

Feb. 11, the last day he was seen alive. “He was last seen by his teacher Susie Jones when he was in her class at 12:30 p.m. Tuesday
Velichko asked if he could leave class early that day.

fter Velichko left MHCC, he called his father, whom he lives with in Portland, and said “he was on his way home to get something to eat,” but he never made it home.

body found on 12th feb


two hikers located Velichko’s body the morning of Feb. 12.

the young man’s body was found in the Columbia River Gorge

The young man, who was found only in a pair of blue underwear,

none of Velichko’s clothing has been located despite a long search he supervised.

evidence of walking through snow in bare feet,


was later determined by the Multnomah County medical examiner to have died from hypothermia

one to two inches of snow at the location where Velichko’s body was found

on a trailhead by Multnomah Falls near milepost 1.8 and close to Ecola Falls.

Velichko’s cell phone and keys have not yet been located.

so if he received a phone call during class prompting him to leave, they have not yet been able to investigate that possibility. “If that is so, we’ll find out who might have called and we’ll look into that. (His cell phone and keys) haven’t been located yet.

the young man’s body was found in the Columbia River Gorge


detective


“I was very hot and I had to take my jacket off. But then (I had to) put it back on because I began getting cold within minutes. And that was during the day. I can’t imagine what it would have been like at night,” he said. “The medical examiner mentioned that people experience euphoria (with hypothermia). They think they’re hot and they start taking their clothes off.” He believes this may have occurred in Velichko’s case.


“there is nothing to tag it as a suspicious death (right now.)”


Don Oliver, director of Mt. Hood Community College Public Safety,

said Thursday that a briefcase he believes may have belonged to Velichko was turned into the lost and found in the College Center, given to Public Safety

detective

Torrez added, “If you’re up there (at Multnomah Falls) and you find clothing that looks suspicious, you could help us a lot. Do not touch (them), mark the trail where you see them and call 9-1-1,” he said. “If you have any info about Rafael and why he was up there that day, let us know.”

Anonymous said...

PORTLAND CONNECTION
Mt. Hood Community College student Rafael Velichko MISSING FOUND DEAD IN Columbia River Gorge NO CLOTHES ONLY SHORTS mising keys and cell phone
LIVED IN PORTLAND OREGON.

BOTH LATIN AMERICAN?
In Portland, Oregon, Juan Garcia is listed as a missing person. He was last seen on March 15, 2009. Juan was a freshman at the University of Portland. He left campus and was reported missing when his personal belongings were found in the downtown area.



In Portland, Maine, police are using boats and cadaver dogs to search for Ezra Milan. He was last seen on March 10, 2009. A new tip has led police to search the water below Veterans Bridge. According to a newspaper reporter, few people walk along the busy bridge. Ezra’s home was in the opposite direction of the bridge. Police are not saying much about the new tip or the search.
http://www.sfkillers.com/

Anonymous said...

The area/place where Rafael Velichko body was recovered in only underwear.

Torrez added, “If you’re up there (at Multnomah Falls) and you find clothing that looks suspicious, you could help us a lot. Do not touch (them), mark the trail where you see them and call 9-1-1,” he said. “If you have any info about Rafael and why he was up there that day, let us know.”


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multnomah_Falls

Multnomah Falls is a waterfall on the Oregon side of the Columbia River Gorge, located east of Troutdale, between Corbett and Dodson, along the Historic Columbia River Highway.

There is a Native American legend that explains the origins of the falls. In this legend, a tribe was infected with a deadly disease and was in danger of dying.[citation needed] The daughter of the chief went to the top of a cliff and prayed to the Great Spirit to find how she could stop the epidemic. She was told that to stop the epidemic, she would have to throw herself off the cliff and sacrifice herself. She did this and died. The next day, the chief found his daughter's body at the bottom of the cliff. He wept bitterly and cried out to the Great Spirit to give him a sign if this sacrifice was not in vain. At that moment, water began to fall from the top of the cliff, forming Multnomah Falls. The legend also says that under the right conditions, you can see the daughter's face in the waterfall.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multnomah_County,_Oregon

home of the abve falls

Multnomah County (pronounced /məltˈnoʊmə/) is one of 36 counties in the U.S. state of Oregon. Though smallest in area, it is the most populous[1] as its county seat, Portland, is the state's largest city. In 2006, the county's population was 681,454.[2] The county was likely named after Native American people first recorded in the journals of the Lewis and Clark Expedition, Mulknomans, who lived in a village on the east side of present-day Sauvie Island. (An alternative theory holds that Multnomah is a corruption of nematlnomaq, meaning down river.)


History

Multnomah County (the thirteenth in Oregon Territory) was created on December 22, 1854,

LEWIS AND CLARK *
13TH
indian legend
sacrifice and the falls.

Anonymous said...

Correction

I am not saying this case is connected i hope it isn't but im putting these things here just in case the facts help

Rapheal was from "HAPPY VALLEY " Specifically not portland -his father lived in portland.

"--just me--"

Male
20 years old
Happy Valley, Oregon
United States

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Lisa said...

Anonymous,

I did not leave out the Portland case intentionally, I am just having a hard time keeping up with all of these new cases.

I will take a look at it and post it if it fits the same general pattern as the others.

Lisa said...

Just posted a link at the end of the post above to some interesting photosthat a reader sent me. She is interested to hear thoughts on them.

Anonymous said...

http://www.4to40.com/newsat4/index.asp?id=2622


Longest place nameEmbarrassed US officials have been forced to admit that they have been spelling Lake Chargoggagoggmanchauggagoggchaubunagungamaugg wrongly for years.

The typos in the country's longest place name were revealed by local newspaper, the Worcester Telegram & Gazette, which has been covering the misspelling scandal since 2003.

Resolving the issue involved large amounts of research into the two dozen spelling variants for the lake, in Webster, Massachusetts, reports Metro.

Eventually, it was determined that the 45-letter Chargoggagoggmanchauggagoggchaubunagungamaugg was the correct spelling, and that the signs saying 'Lake Chargoggagoggmanchaoggagoggchaubunaguhgamaugg' were wrong, inserting an 'o' for a 'u' at position 20, and an 'h' for an 'n' at position 38.

The research also found that the 49-letter variant, Chargoggagoggmanchauggauggagoggchaubunagungamaugg, was the second most common version.

The local Chamber of Commerce will now attempt to find out who painted the signs in the first place, and get them to correct them.

Lake Chargoggagoggmanchauggagoggchaubunagungamaugg is commonly referred to as Webster Lake by locals for obvious reasons.


REMEMBER YELLOH?

OH IS NOW UN

GO TO THE LINK BELOW AND SEE SMILEY CELEBRATE

2 down & 98 more un gang members to go. lets break out the champagne

smiley

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Anonymous said...

Anonymous 1

What do people see with the tree that has red on it? Would like to know!

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 1

It is in New Photos added to the Mississippi River Blvd pictures.

Take a look.

Anonymous said...

the tree looks like a person from a distance and the graffiti looks like an e as in internet e.

Anonymous said...

E COMMERCE I MEANT

yes yellOH
i connected the longest INDIAN LAKE name change THE O AND H HAVE BECOME A U AND N=UN

OH MEANS AN UN MEMBER .
OR AS I CALL THEM A NON GANG MEMBER
THIS IS MY DEDUCTION OF WHAT AN UN IS.

HES NOT OF LA RAZA ANYWAY ACCORDING TO MY READING OF ALL THIS.

ALSO THE O IN YELLOH IS LOOKING A BIT LIKE THIS yell@h TO ME
and the squigle is looking like either an s or a backwards question mark.

Anonymous said...

seemingly im misinformed
un means united nations its a gang in BC canada

Anonymous said...

B.C. gang members gunned down in Mexico
Two men join the 1,700 people slain in battles between cartels this year
Matthew Ramsey, The Province
Published: Thursday, July 17, 2008

Two members of the Fraser Valley-based United Nations Gang were gunned down in a restaurant in Mexico during an ongoing wave of "drug-cartel-related violence," a police source told The Province yesterday.

Elliott "Taco" Castaneda of Abbotsford and Ahmet Kaawach, who used to live in Metro Vancouver, died in the hail of bullets,


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Smiley made a comment

he was glad the gang member was killed by the mexicans.
LA RAZA?


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2 down & 98 more un gang members to go. lets break out the champagne

ITS STILL UN THOUGH NOW NOT OH- MY CRAZY CONNECTIONS STAY

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