April 25, 2008

The Smiley Face Killer Theory

KSTP.com just broke this story about a potential link between the disappearances of these college students.

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from KSTP.com - 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS
Posted at: 04/23/2008 10:28:47 AM
Updated at: 04/25/2008 08:34:38 AM
By: Kristi Piehl, Investigative Reporter; Justin Piehowski, Web Manager; Nicole Muehlhausen, Web Producer

DETECTIVES: Chris Jenkins murder connects dozens around country

Could there be a calculated, cross-country plot to kill young college men, including some in Minnesota? It seems a little hard to believe, but two New York detectives say, they can prove it. Now, they are revealing years of their evidence for the first time to 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS...

University of Minnesota college student Chris Jenkins was found in the Mississippi River in February of 2003. Minneapolis Police began investigating the case, which also caught the attention of two retired NYPD detectives. Turns out, Jenkins' death was the missing part of the puzzle for Kevin Gannon and Anthony Duarte. They think Jenkins connects dozens of other deaths around the country over the last decade.

The stories are the same all over the country--an athletic, intelligent, well-liked college student goes missing. Family and friends launch a massive search. Weeks or months later, the young man is discovered drowned. In more than 40 cases, the deaths are blamed on a drunken accident--except for one. The death of Chris Jenkins in Minneapolis is the only one where the cause of death was changed from 'undetermined' or 'drowning' to 'homicide.' "I can honestly tell you that I've walked every step of the way and it is hard for me to believe," Chris' mother Jan Jenkins told 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS. "The level of evil we are dealing with here is rampant, it's deep and it's widespread." Because of extensive investigation by Duarte and Gannon, Jan Jenkins now says she knows exactly what happened to her son on the night he disappeared, Oct. 31, 2002. "Chris was abducted in a cargo van," she said. "He was driven around Minneapolis for hours and tortured. He was taken down to the Mississippi River and he was murdered. And after that, his body was positioned and taken to a different spot and then to a different point in the Mississippi River." Gannon and Duarte say they've discovered a link between Jenkins' death and the drownings of at least 40 other men in 25 cities in 11 different states.

It began in New York
The investigation started 11 years ago in New York when then-Sgt. Gannon made a promise to the parents of Patrick McNeill. Patrick McNeill was last seen at a New York City bar in 1997. His body was found 50 days later, 11 miles downriver.
We knew it wasn't suicide," said Patrick McNeill's mother Jackie McNeill. "It was one of those things where he walked out and was never seen again."One of the only things comforting the McNeill's is Gannon, a decorated officer with a long history in the New York City Police Department. "I told them I would never give up on the case," Gannon told 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS. When Gannon retired, he devoted his life to keeping his promise to the McNeill's. "We've been doing this on our own, our own finances" Gannon explained. "We've never taken a penny from any of the families. I personally have mortgaged my own home to investigate this." According to Gannon's ally, Duarte, this is almost 'a perfect crime' because the water washes away any physical evidence and there are never any witnesses. Almost all of the men are last seen by friends leaving a bar or college party.

Local police have investigated the deaths and the FBI has even taken a look at the cases. In every case except for the Jenkins case, local law enforcement has ruled the death an accident. "I think it is a serial killer, but not one individual," Duarte said."I would just say, a group of individuals, probably located in more than one state," Duarte said, adding that he thinks they may kill again.

'Sick Signature'
Gannon and Duarte have done something that no other law enforcement agency has ever done in this case--they looked at the big picture and visited each site where the young man disappeared. While most local investigations focused on where a body was recovered, Gannon and Duarte tried to figure out where the body went into the river.
City after city, when they'd find the spot where the body went in, they would find something else: The symbol of a smiley face. "It's very disturbing," Duarte said. The paint color and size of the face varies, but the detectives are convinced that it's a sick signature the killers leave behind. They found one eight years ago in Wisconsin and then others in Ohio, Pennsylvania and Indiana. Then most recently, they believe they've found one in Iowa. In Michigan, they found something strange among the groups graffiti, the word 'Sinsiniwa.' They couldn't figure out what it meant until a few months later when they arrived in Dubuque, Iowa to investigate the death of Matt Kruziki. His body was found on Sinsiniwa Avenue. Plus, they've discovered the nicknames of people in the group at more than one location.

Two years ago, already entrenched in their investigation, Gannon and Duarte came to Minnesota. They connected with St. Cloud State College Professor Lee Gilbertson. Gilbertson had challenged his criminology students to search for patterns in the 11 disappearances of Minnesota and Wisconsin college students.Why go public?Gannon and Duarte are now confident they've discovered a nationwide criminal enterprise. The detectives say they have to go public to 'protect the innocent and prosecute the guilty.' "If nothing else, we have to warn the families and the young individuals so that no one else becomes a victim," Gannon said. Added Duarte: "Other kids are at risk, yes, it's very frustrating."

Gannon and Duarte want their investigation to prompt changes in the way drownings are investigated. They say medical examiners frequently don't even consider murder when looking at the body of a drowning victim. The detectives requested that 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS hold back some key details of the murders such as motive and the identities of the informants. They hope that information will someday be used to file criminal charges. They have already taken all of this evidence in the Jenkins case to Minneapolis Police and Hennepin County prosecutors--so why haven't they taken action? We will ask them.

Watch 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS tomorrow at 10:00 to find out how Minneapolis Police and Hennepin County prosecutors responded.

60 comments:

Anonymous said...

The KSTP story was mentioned here in Albany, NY - two of the deceased on the KSTP story were in New York when they died.

This was brought up because earlier this week, the body of a local college man, Joshua Szostak was found in the Husdon River, some four months after he disappeared from an Albany bar.

MISSING said...

I am the aforementioned anonymous mentioning the Josh Szostak case.

I've taken the liberty of using the info on your site to plot the locations of these men. I've included their last known whereabouts, and the location of their recovery.

Please feel free to do with the map as you please. If any of the info is inaccurate, just let me know. I'm going to update and elaborate on the info as time permits.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&ie=UTF8&msa=0&msid=103209157402120850420.00044bbaf7555e4d7f00a&t=h&z=6

Anonymous said...

Please check out a recently reported case in Albany NY area about a body found in Hudson River after a local college kid left a bar and something about a cell phone I recall from the radio news. 26 April 2008

Missing Students said...

The case that "anonymous" is referring to is that of Joshua Szostak, from Latham, NY - a suburb of Albany.

Joshua was last seen December 23, 2007, leaving an Albany bar. During the search, his cell phone was found near a stolen car - the police I believe have since stated that he is not believed to have stolen this car.

His body was recovered earlier this week near Coxackie, down the Hudson River from Albany.

Anonymous said...

A note, I live in downtown Chicago and in your piece on Brian Welzian you cite a "15-feet drop-off" between the shore and the lake near the Division Street tunnel.

There isn't a drop-off that steep anywhere on the entire city lakefront that I've ever seen. At most the drop-off is a few feet. There is an iron wall between the water and the shore that could make climbing out difficult in some spots, but that is about it.

commparts2 said...

Missing,

Please repost your link to the map. The URL is too long and some got chopped off.

You may need to shorten it using Tiny URL

Go here

http://tinyurl.com/create.php

Missing Students said...

Thanks for the TinyURL link - great tool.

Try this link for the map.

http://tinyurl.com/6gg6u6

Anonymous said...

THis NY drownding death at St. Lawrence University, Canton NY seemed suspecious.

CANTON, N.Y. -

St. Lawrence University is 118 miles northeast of Syracuse.

Information from: Watertown Daily Times, http://www.watertowndailytimes.com

Twenty-year-old Adam Falcon was missing for nearly a week before his body was found on November 18th, 2004. Authorities ruled the Saint Lawrence University student's death accidental, but said he'd been drinking before his death.

Police say Falcon drank at a campus residence hall and then drank at the Tick Tock Inn using a borrowed ID. He later fell in the Grasse River and drowned.

Missing Students said...

Originally I, I did have Adam Falcon on my list of cases to plot on my map, but I opted to not include it in an attempt to not put cases that aren't being considered by Detectives Gannon and Duarte get mixed in with those which are.

Also, just so there's no confusion, I'm NOT the one writing this blog...I'm just a commenter who made a map. (Just want to be clear that I'm not trying to take over Lisa's blog.)

Anonymous said...

The folks running this blog should definitely consider adding Adam Falcon. Even his parents now think he may have been a victim of...whatever's going on.

Anonymous said...

This is the scariest thing I've heard in a long, long time. The Google map is a great tool. I have a feeling the killer(s) are working along a series of college towns, and the map shows an interesting pattern... how hard would it be, for example, to compile lists of professors, associate professors, researchers, and other professionals associated with all the schools in the various areas at the time of the attack in each respective area? Cross-reference all of them against each other, and maybe something turns up.

Then again, I'm just idly speculating. Surely the investigators have thoughts of things like this...

Mochamo said...

http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2002/nov/20/s_disappearance/

Alexis Dillard - Missing 12/11/92

After hearing of this phenomenon, I remember the exact same thing happening when I was in college in 1992.

Freezing water, ROTC, and a 5 - 7 knot current, still have never found the body. I didn't buy it then, and I don't buy it now. No one in there right mind (or even otherwise) would step foot in the Kansas River.

Article mentions the following missing persons in 2002:

On Nov. 9, Joshua Guimond, 20, was seen leaving a party in Collegeville, Minn.

Friends of Erika Marie Dalquist, 21, haven't seen her since Oct. 30 when she left a bar in Brainerd, Minn.

On Oct. 31, Christopher Jenkins, 21, left a Halloween party at a bar in Minneapolis and has not been heard from again.

And on Nov. 6 Michael Noll, 22, disappeared after leaving a bar in Eau Claire, Wis

Anonymous said...

Nicholas Garza, a freshman lacrosse player at Middlebury College, disappeared on February 5 of this year. The police are currently searching the river, but have found nothing yet. http://www.nicholasgarza.org/

Anonymous said...

My son Frank DiMattia went to see a concert at Revolution Hall in Troy New York on April 29,2005. That was the last time any one had seen him. Two weeks later they found his body in the Hudson River on May 13,2005 Frank was 21, he was very drunk. Is there any connection to all of these drownings? I can be reached at wkline@nycap.rr.com

Undead Molly said...

There are a lot of connections emerging between the Smiley Face victims and a company called Trane - they manufacture and install air conditioning/heating systems to universities and other facilities across the Eastern U.S.. It is based in La Crosse, WI where six of the victims went missing. They have a contract with Middlebury College (Nick Garza) and a manufacturing facility in Clarksville, TN (Jessiah Jameson). Trane technicians travel in vans and have access to substances which could stun a healthy young man into unconsciousness.

Please consider visiting this forum thread (it's not long) which lays out many of the major points: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message542174/pg1#8340510

anapasery said...

Has anyone tested the water in the deceased's lungs. Did they indeed drown in the body of water they were found?

Jens Hegg said...

I take it that everyone on here is taking this story of the smiley face killers at face value?

I think more than a bit of skepticism is in order given hwo common smiley face graffiti is and that Gannon/Duarte have not released their methods for looking for teh sites that people went into the water. If you are searchign along 500 yards of shore for a possible "crime scene" it would probably be pretty easy to find a smiley face in there somewhere. I bit more info is defintily needed before anyone starts jumping to some crazy conclusion.

http://jenshegg.blogspot.com/2008/04/smiley-face-killers-and-occams-razor.html

Missing Students said...

I agree that these cases may be nothing more than a coincidence. That said, I think the families of the lost (not to mention those who have perished themselves) DESERVE to have every theory investigated, no matter how benign and obscure it may seem.

Maybe in the end we'll all find out these are just a bunch of drunk kids falling into the river. Maybe not. But until we investigate every avenue, we can't say for sure.

The police sure as hell aren't looking into it, so why shouldn't we?

Jens Hegg said...

I think people looking into it is fine. I think the onus is on Gannon and Duarte to put their evidence out in a way that can be verified. Up to now everything that has come out is hearsay.

If they expect people to jump on their bandwagon they need to prove why it is that these cases are linked to one of the most common graffiti marks there is, otherwise Occam's Razor would indicate that they don't have a leg to stand on.

I'm fine with people looking into it. It is one thing to look into it as a skeptic and let the evidence convince you, another entirely to start trumpeting the theory as "cracking the case", as many in the media and on blogs have done, without seeing compelling evidence to support the case for murder, let alone a wide ranging criminal conspiracy.

"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity." Hanlon's Razor

Missing Students said...

It's hardly hearsay, as defined by law. At most it's evidence they haven't released. They say they're doing so as a protective measure so as to not tip the proverbial hand.

I'm a skeptic by nature, but the more I read, the more that stands out as askew.

Is there proof that there is some evil entity at work here? Nope. But there are too many pieces of the puzzle that I can't explain to definitively say there's nothing to their case as a whole.

Jens Hegg said...

Perhaps I should have used unverified information rather than hearsay, it does confuse the issue. We aren't talkign about a trial so I'm not speaking in the legal sense but the colloquial.

As I said, the problem isn't people wanting to track down every last shred of evidence to be sure the men weren't killed. The problem is the media and blog types with overactive gumshoe complexes calling it what it is not.

There is no proof until it can be verified. Until such point as someone can show some proof of a connection between smiley faces and dead kids I'm not convinced.

Furthermore, Gannon/Duarte have gone much further than stating a link to smiley faces. They alledge, without presenting any evidence, that this is a shadowy group of killers spread over the country and communicating over the internet. What?

Conspiracy of this magnitude with no witnesses and no evidence is rare to nonexistent. I'm willing to entertain the thought if evidence points to it, but they have not presented evidence and yet talk as if they are all but ready to knock on the killers' doors.

I'm simply amazed and the credulity of the media and wannabe gumshoes to speak as if a "Smiley Face Gang" really exists when alternate theories, foremost among them stuidity and drunkeness, are much more plausible. Without evidence how can anyone jump to these concrete conclusions. It serves to harm the investigation more than help it, that's for sure.

Anonymous said...

Chris Jenkins facts, per MPD: Please read the police case file documents regarding Chris Jenkins at www.kstp.com.

Click below, on "Remember Chris Jenkins," to read how his body was found, as described by Chris Jenkins' sister.

Anonymous said...

They say they've found connections in 40 cases. Assuming that those drownings are indeed the work of a gang of serial killers, then doesn't it seem likely that the real number could be much, much higher?

Anonymous said...

Sounds like a hunt for the boogey man.

time immemorial said...

By now, I assume people know that Nick Garza was found dead in Otter Creek, Middlebury Vt on May 27th. Canine units had tracked his scent down a path off campus towards the town high school where it ended in the creek. It was a dark night and quite possible that someone unfamiliar with the path could have fallen into the creek, which was partially iced over at the time. But his mother and friends maintain that he would never have wandered that far off by himself, ever. The kids who were with him that night testified that he seemed sober, clear eyed and alert, although one buddy said that he and Nick had been drinking earlier and thought Nick had had a lot to drink. But his mother said he was an experienced drinker who did not enjoy getting falling down drunk. He was a mentally and physically healthy, very social boy who didn't go places alone, unless it was to be with friends or to get home. In any case, If he had been totally inebriated, it's unlikely he'd have made as far as he did. He fits the profile of the other cases -- good looking, high achieving, athlete college student leaving a social gathering where there was drinking, walking off by himself and ending up drowned. He also fits the profile in that something just doesn't add up about his death.

In any case, I fear the local police are about to call it an accidental drowning. They've exhausted their budget and patience and want an end to this nightmare. I am afraid that is why the killers continue to get away with murder.

As for all the skeptics out there. The NY investigators are trained at what they do. And they need funding to continue. It's you skeptics who stymie heroic efforts to work outside the box and actually make real discoveries. If everyone listened to you skeptics, we'd still think the world was flat.

Overcome said...

Time for everyone to calm down and eat some fruit or something.

Anonymous said...

Clarksville ,Tennessee had two IntelliPak Rooftop Service-HVAC Service & Maintenance courses in 2006 at Trane Corporations facility. One began on May 1 and the other on November 13. Each course was 5 days in length. The last day-Friday,November 17- of class would be only for a few hours and pretty much be a fuck-off kinda day. .Near the completion time of the class it would be time to party and visit the local bars.Thursday,November 16,2006 is the day that Jessiah Jameson was last seen ,before his dead body was pulled from the Cumberland River.

Anonymous said...

Trane Co - 4833 White Bear Pkwy, St Paul, MN

Trane Commercial Systems -
3600 Pammel Creek Rd, La Crosse, WI -

Anonymous said...

go to:
www.milwaukeemagazine.com
smiley face story
breaks new info on deaths

Anonymous said...

Our guest this week is author William H. Kennedy, whose book Lucifer's Lodge is a disturbing analysis of Satanic sexual abuse within the Roman Catholic Church.ÂÂ* Bill told us that as many as two-thirds of the Roman Catholic bishops and cardinals worldwide have knowingly reassigned pedophile priests without disciplining them or even taking steps to keep them away from children!

Even more sinister was the savage 1998 murder of Father Alfred Kunz in Wisconsin--shortly after he threatened to go public with evidence of Satanic rituals and pedophilia in the church.ÂÂ* His stabbing death, which was accompanied by the ritual mutilation of a calf at a nearby farm, has yet to be solved.

It's a dark, evil topic that sounds like a conspiracy theorist's hallucination, but Lucifer's Lodge is thoroughly documented from news accounts published in mainstream newspapers and magazines.ÂÂ* And the evidence suggests that the Satanists and pedophiles were protected by powers at the highest levels inside the Church of Rome.

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William H. Kennedy (b. 1964) is a writer and speaker on religious topics. Kennedy has written articles for academic journals like Sophia: the Journal of Traditional Studies and popular magazines like New Dawn.





In 2004 Kennedy authored Lucifer's Lodge: Satanic Ritual Abuse in the Catholic Church (Sophia Perennis: 2004) followed by Satanic Crime: A Threat in the New Millennium (MVM: 2006) & Occult History: Collected Writings 1994-2008 (MVM: 2008).


November 14, 2005

Road to Freedom hosted by Eleanor White. Catholic Church Satanism confirmed in the Irish Ferns Report, Father James Grennan sexually abused girls on the altar of his church, Pamela Vitale was a ritual murder, how the police failed to investigate priest pedophilia and why victims groups should lead the investigation of Catholic Religious Orders.

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Anonymous said...

February 6, 2007

Radio Liberty hosted by Dr. Stan Monteith. WHK introduces his new book Satanic Crime: A Threat in the New Millennium

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http://www.williamhkennedy.com/rl31209.mp3

Anonymous said...

MOST SEXCUAL ABUSE OF MINORS BY THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS MOVED TO AFRICA AND SOUTH AMERICA SINCE THE BIG SCANDALS BROKE IN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE.
A LARGE PERCENTAGE OF THE CLERGY ABUSE CASES HAD A OCCULTIC SATANIC RILUTALISTIC ASPECT THAT WAS ALMOST NEVER SPOTLIGHTED AND WAS HIDDEN IN THE BACKROUND OF THE DETAILS OF CASES.

NOW THEY NO LONGER CAN DO THEIR RITUALS ON "MINORS" WITH THE SAME DEGREE OF SAFETY.........

BEGS THE QUESTION.........?

Anonymous said...

Abuse allegations shake St. John's Abbey
The Record, St. John's University/September 7, 2006
By Matt Smith

Pat Marker kept it all inside for nearly 10 years.

He moved to St. John's Prep School before his junior year of high school. Marker, now 41-years-old, says what Fr. Dunstan Moorse did to him in his late teens changed the course of his life forever.

Until late this August, Marker was a member of the St. John's Abbey external review board, a group of nine professionals who assess alleged monk offenders and provide help to victims. Marker was selected because he's a survivor of sexual abuse.

But in August, he resigned from his position following new allegations of sexual misconduct from three monks of the St. John's monastic community.
New allegations

On July 28, Abbot John Klassen made public the names of three more monks who he said, substantial facts shows committed sexual misconduct.

"There was enough evidence to convince us it happened," Klassen said. "I delayed this one probably longer than I should have, but nevertheless, made it public."

Frs. Michael Bik and the late Robert Blumeyer, the Abbot said, face several allegations of sexual abuse. Two allegations of sexual harassment against Fr. Bruce Wollmering were also brought to light in 2004.

The statute of limitations is expired on each allegation, Klassen said, making it impossible to prosecute.

Klassen says that brings the total number of monk offenders at St. John's to 10, out of the 150, currently residing at the Abbey.

Klassen said two victims just came forward in the fall of 2005 accusing Blumeyer, who died in 1983, of sexual abuse between 1969 and 1979.

But the Abbot says he's known about the allegations against Bik since 1998, and let him continue teaching at the prep school until 2002.

"At that point [in 1998], the culture within our leadership would be to say as long as we put Michael in a situation where he is not in a residential hall, or not counseling, it should be OK," Klassen said. "It was my call in the summer of 2002 to make his name public or not … In fact, I would say this was an error on my part."

The delay prompted Marker's resignation.

"They are going to either under report or minimize every chance they have," Marker said. "And that's exactly what's happening."
Marker's story

Although Marker has considered himself a survivor since the early 1990s, he's confident that many victims from St. John's are holding on to the secret like he once did.

"I'm very concerned about the people who went to the prep school for one or two years and dropped out, or to the college for one or two years and dropped out," he said.

Marker says he formed a relationship with Moorse when he moved to St. John's after being severely homesick. The trust that was formed, he said, was violated.

"At one point we were down in the dorms of the prep school and he tried to masturbate me, and wasn't successful, and got frustrated," Marker said. "There was sexual contact."

Marker says it took years for him to understand the drastic impact.

"I was very frustrated with the church, and very frustrated with my peers and not really understanding where that came from," he said.

But in early 1990, that changed.

"I called him up on the telephone and I said, 'Listen, I know what you did to me. I understand what you did to me now … And I need some counseling,'" Marker said. "And he said he couldn't help me."

Marker accuses Moorse of attempting to silence him when he feared his removal from the Abbey.

"When I was going through the low point of my life … he took advantage of that," Marker said.

The abuse, he said, has shaped his life, making him a leading advocate for sexual abuse victims from St. John's.
Victim's support

Klassen said the external review board began meeting three years ago and is confident the Abbey is making strides in its work.

"What I can assure you is this is a very important and sensitive area and we are looking at this very carefully and want to err on the side of accountability," Klassen said.

The Abbey has formed a partnership with the Walk-In Counseling Center in Minneapolis, where victims are urged to go for help.

"Our job is to be a safe place to talk and to get the ball rolling," said Gary Schoener, executive director and contact for Abbey abuse victims.

Klassen said the Abbey asked the center for the partnership to provide professional help for victims.

"[The victims] have never been a distraction to us," Klassen said. "They are real human beings who have suffered enormously."

Although a settlement was reached between Marker and the monastery, Marker said that wasn't the case with him.

"They've been working under a cloak of secrecy for so long and they continue to," he said. "That's the attitude and personality of the Abbey."

Marker said his extensive research shows more monks will be named and more victims will come forward. That's prompted him to create a Web site, which he says, will shed light to the on-going abuse.

But that accusation, and the Web site, Klassen said, is "a whole lot of innuendo."

"That is totally an unfounded, false statement. I mean false," Klassen said. "Our students can be confident that we are doing our level best with the help of skilled professionals to make sure that your education and time here is safe, and that it is an opportunity for an outstanding educational experience."

http://www.rickross.com/reference/clergy/clergy599.html

Anonymous said...

They didnt used to kill their victims usually, although they used the occultic ritual in the abuse.
but now maybe another avalanche of survivor scandals are too risky, and child deaths too suspicious?

Plus if they actually believe in this evil power, which they do...
then an actual sacrifice of a life maybe to them- their only hope of regaining the footing they have lost in recent years.

Anonymous said...

Critic of Boston Archdiocese Is Found Face Down in River


http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/20/us/critic-of-boston-archdiocese-is-found-face-down-in-river.html

Patrick McSorley survived and later said it was NOT A SUICIDE ATTEMPT SEE chris jenkins and josh guimond comments section FOR ARTICLE.

BUT I CAN FIND NO OTHER STORIES ON AN EXPLANATION OF HOW HE ENDED UP IN THE RIVER -many more related stories though on catholic connection to this SEE here

see HERE-

CHRIST JENKINS AND JOSH GUIMOND COMMENTS SECTION FOR LOADS MORE ON THIS AND RELATED FACTORS

Anonymous said...

• McSorley: Suicide not the answer. BOSTON (MA): Patrick McSorley, the alleged clergy abuse victim who almost died June 18, said yesterday his near-drowning in the Neponset River was accidental and urged molestation survivors to reject notions of suicide. "Suicide is out of the question," the 28-year-old Taunton father of two declared. "All people who were victimized by the Catholic Church priests and leadership must be strong and hang in there. What I did was not a suicide attempt and I do not condone it." McSorley spoke after a press conference in which he thanked supporters for their prayers and for hundreds of cards and calls in support. He was on life support for six days and hospitalized a total of 10 days at Boston Medical Center. "It was a miracle," he said. -- Boston Herald, "McSorley: Suicide not the answer," http://www2.bostonherald. com/news/local_ regional/mcso 07012003.htm , by Tom Mashberg, Tuesday, Jul 1, 2003

Anonymous said...

i APOLOGIZE FOR USING TOO MUCH SPACE.

Please to see all the connectins to the catholic preists and collegville theories please go here in godlike productions. i have posted tons of material showning a credible possibility concerning this theory.


I have just come accross something i consider too much of a coincidence not to publish.
at the moment for some unknown reason i am not able to continue posting more at goddlike forum.
so i hope its ok to post this latest information here.
i find it astoundingly suspiscious.
when you consider all the other evidence that points in this direction.

YOU WANT MORE ANYTHING MORE OBVIOUS?
HERE IT IS READ IN FULL TO SEE IT

Philia

June 1999
Collegeville, Minnesota




Catholic Bishop Urges Faith Communities to Look at the "Root

Causes" of Clergy Sexual Abuse
By Heather Elizabeth Peterson
Philia

Faith communities that are facing the crisis of clergy sexual

abuse need to move beyond "the medical triage model" and

"look more deeply into its root causes," the Most Rev. John

F. Kinney told participants at the Interfaith Sexual Trauma

Institute (ISTI) Second Annual Conference.

The conference, which was held in Collegeville, Minnesota,

from June 13-15, focussed on the subject of "Sex and the

Abuse of Power in Religious Systems." ISTI is an

interdenominational organization that addresses the issue of

clergy sexual misconduct.

"It is essential . . . that we begin some serious study of

our religious systems overall," said Bishop Kinney, who is

founding chair of the United States National Catholic

Conference of Bishops' committee on clergy sexual abuse. "We

want to know the profile of the perpetrator. We need to know

the profile of the victim. But we also need to get a real fix

on the values, codes, internal climate, and principles of

behavior that mark the life of our religious systems . . ."

To show the need for this in-depth study, Bishop Kinney

recounted the story of a person who rescues someone who is

drowning in a river, then rescues a second person and a third

person. Finally, the rescuer walks away from the scene. "A

bystander approaches and asks in surprise where is going, to

which, the rescuer replies: 'I am going upstream to find out

who's pushing all these people in and see if I can stop it!'"

Bishop Kinney continued, "While our efforts to attend to

individual victims and manage individual perpetrators are

critical to our overall pastoral care and our desire to

'restore trust,' we have to move to more than downstream

helping to prevent these abuses in the future. We all need to

go upstream and see if we can stop it! In order to accomplish

this kind of prevention, we must have a systemic approach. We

must not only look at the profile of perpetrators and

victims, but of the human, societal religious systems in

which these individuals interact"

Among the steps that the Catholic Church in the United States

has undertaken, Bishop Kinney recounted, are establishing

sexual abuse policies in all of the denomination's dioceses

(districts) and adding "boundary education and professional

ethics" to Catholic seminary training. Moreover, Bishop

Kinney said, working with clergy offenders has forced the

Catholic Church to address fundamental theological issues.

"We have had to face the fact that in some cases, a priest

may never be able to return to the active ministry," said

Bishop Kinney. "This has led us to seek permanent removal

from the clerical state for such priests. This, in turn, at

the international level, has raised a number of concerns in

the area of sacramental theology."

Elisabeth A. Horst, a Minneapolis psychologist and member of

the ISTI board, agreed with Bishop Kinney that clergy sexual

abuse can arise from fundamental religious traditions. "Power

imbalance is not in itself a bad thing," she told the 142

participants at the conference in a presentation entitled

"Boundaries," but she believes that it is important for

clergy to recognize that they have power.

"Recently, I asked a group of campus ministers, 'How many of

you feel your role gives you lots of power?'" Dr. Horst

reported. " Most of them looked amused; a few looked

startled. No hands went up. Ministers think of themselves as

helpers, servants, not power seekers, and rightly so. Like it

or not, though, the role of professional helper does involve

being entrusted with a great deal of influence over those in

one's care. If we (clergy and congregants both) insist on

ignoring the power inherent in the role, it becomes easy to

mistake compliance for love, to confuse coercion with

leadership."

A sexual relationship can only be sacred, Dr. Horst said,

"when it is a loving connection between equal partners fully

committed to honoring the individuality of each. . . . The

offender will never get true love from someone who can't

really say no. Love is not love unless it is given freely."

Other keynote addresses given at the conference were entitled

"Accounting for Power: Theological Reflections," "God, Power,

and Control," and "Hope: God is in the Detail." Workshops

addressed such issues as abuse prevention, pastoral power,

and long-term systems change.

In addition, ISTI took the opportunity to create four

regional chapters: Eastern, Central, Western, and

International.

The ISTI Millennium International Conference has been

scheduled for June 11-13. Like the 1999 conference, the

millennium conference will be held on the campus of Saint

John's Benedictine Abbey and University. In response to

requests from participants at the 1999 conference, ISTI hopes

to include monastic liturgies at the millennium conference

for any interested participants.

Related Links

Interfaith Sexual Trauma Institute

Welcoming Address. By the Most Rev. John F. Kinney. [ISTI

Sun]


http://philia.ws/ph/99/06a.htm


to see how this all fits please go here and work you way back and you
you will see all my posts on the catholic link to all this


http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message542174/pg67

Anonymous said...

bishop kerney is in collegville and he presided over a list of men who are behind the abbeys walls all offenders and dont think its just kids
most of those victims are college age
see articles i posted at godlike where lawyers recount this
"most were young men students young monks."

lawyers also said their are numerous priests - more of them-
and they are not being kept beind the walls of the abbey at st johns even though the policiy said they were to be kept there.
it all a game.

one former student at st johns a victim himself has a blog on these men and the continuing goings on
at st johns.
he even comments on the joshua Guimond case.
http://www.behindthepinecurtain.com/wordpress/?p=351
PLEASE GO SEE MORE OF WHAT I HAVE COLLECTED AT GODLIKE ALSO

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message542174/pg67

Anonymous said...

THE REMOVING OF CROSSES.

The killers are hoping for total decomposition leading to an unidentified body.

A body can literally fall apart in water, the skin comes off etc i seen it eplained on that tv show..

The removal of specifically catholic relgious regalia
has been now noticed and mentioned .

Many if not all of the victims are catholic they have crosses and ST Christophers.

The Kellers are removing them in the hope that news media and blogs do not have headlines such as .....
"MYSTERIOUS DROWNINGS OF CATHOLIC young men CONTINUE."


This consistent removal of catholic regalia could
I BELIEVE BE A PRACTICAL MOTIVE IF MY PRIEST THEORY IS CORRECT.


THE RITAULISTIC explanation for it IS SECONDARY IN MY OPINION.
rituals can still be done

ANY RITUAL ELEMENT WOULD BE PERFORMED WITH WORDS-AND THE BODY NEED NOT BE EVEN BE TOUCHED FOR RITUALS.

CROSS REMOVAL = DISTANCING OF ASSOCIATION FOR PERPS PROTECTION ..

DISTANCING OF ASSOCIATION WITH CATHOLICISM.

They are i believe with some bodies hoping for full decomposition.
With NO BLOOD NO DNA recovery possible.

And all this achieved with the death still looking accidental.


If the body is never ID'D then the cases are still missing persons and bodies not matched to parents and not resolved.

THEY WANT TO REMOVE THE CATHOLIC CONNECTION
SO THEY have too remove CATHOLIC REGALIA - ITS QUITE OBVIOUS.

THEY DONT REMOVE ANYTHING ELSE.

THEY ARE NOT BOTHERED ABOUT ID being made of certain victims .
SEEING AS
THEY EVEN LEAVE DRVING LICENCES ETC. 9 maybe these people are catholic also but they were not wearing a relgious symbol that would impress detectives and those who revovered the bodies by imediate eye gate to mind gate recognition of such chains -as being a catholic kid theyve found.


Notice on all the blogs and news media coverint thse cases, there is no explicit mention of the relgion of each of the missing.
I figure the killers know this to be the norm , that such things such as relgion of the person, are not explicitly even if at all mentioned.
The killer did not want the fact of the catholic religion of most? the victims to become a "KEY factor" in the minds of those investigating this, nor in the minds of the public through media coverage .

So the killer to achieve this removed all the initial catholic connection.

OUT OF SIGHT OUT OF MIND is what the killers figured.
And that purposefully so.
After all there was going to be far more on the minds of the police and the victims families.


good way of checking this out is to check
all those who had a cross removed WHEN BODY WAS FOUND IN WATER -

Did they have other id found on them?

If not then it can be reasonably assumed killers were hoping for total NON-ID due to decompositon.

Those who had crosses removed where they in majority found like 4 months later rather than 4 weeks?

And finally to check this out-
All those found with paper ID such as driving licenes etc, were the majority of them not wearing a cross or st christpher etc ?

(I say majority because we have to make room for possiblility some cases are not related. )

If so then i think this theory as to why the catholic religious regalia has been removed from so many of the victims is basically on the money .


Again i think the killers made efforts to put the bodies of those who had been wearing catholic regalia -(or those who were known to be actively catholic in the community by both the killers and the locals ) - into deeper water, or did something to try to make sure it would be longer before those particular victims bodies' surfaced or were found.

Again in the hopes of ultimate non idenitification - and so the catholic link were not picked up on eventually by family memebers or investigatoes because of the catholic ID of those victims becoming apparent through family groups exchanging info.

(Ofcouse they did and have seen this link ,so the attempt to cover it up failed, even backfired on itself)

In other words killers did good job of making best case for total non ID of obviously catholic victims, even though boys were known to them and others as localknown catholics and so could be locally ID'd and the fact of them ALL being catholic connected.

And obviously this was so familly members would be left with a still missing person designation of their loved ones by authorities because of impossible ID.

ALL THIS IN THE HOPE AND FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF THE CATHOLIC CONNECTION NOT BEING NOTICED.

BUT IT FAILED!

Remember:

The killers are removing catholic religious regalia from the victims.!

And:
Just a quick mental note- most victims of catholic abuse of one kind or another are most usually catholic themselves.


if the plan had worked then non of the families of those with crosses (or obvious links to church in community or obvious catholic associations )non of the families would be able to make the cathloic connection through the missing crosses.
because they wouldnt be told it's their son.
because no ID would be given if the killers hoped for totall decomposition leading to impossibilty of posoitive ID.



The killers were removing catholic religious regalia from the victims.

I wonder if they will still now bother to continue doing this , maybe, maybe not.
They probably will to try and make it look like im wrong.

Anonymous said...

to the guy who is doing the blog mr xxxx
feel free to copy any of my catholic theory stuff from here or anywhere and post it on your blog.

Anonymous said...

FIRST CASE

Facts of Interest in This Case
Name/age: Patrick McNeill, 21 (from Port Chester, NY)
College: Fordham University
Major: Accounting
Last Seen: 02/16/97, Dapper Dog bar (1768 2nd Avenue)
Physical Description: 6', 190 pounds, athletic (former football player). He was last seen wearing dark jeans, a green-and-white plaid shirt and brown engineer boots when last seen. His tongue is pierced with a silver stud, and he sports a Celtic cross tattoo on his right bicep.
Recovered: April 7, 1997
Cause of death ruling: drowning
Manner of death ruling: accident
Blood-alcohol content: not released, moderate amount



Fordham abuse perp still lives on campus even in 2006

Boller said that the Prep does not plan to issue an apology to Cerick. He said he believes it is the responsibility of the New York Province to respond to Cerick’s claims, especially to Cerick’s claim that Drake continued to live on campus even after Fordham Prep, Fordham University and the Province were notified about the alleged abuse in October 2005. A Jesuit newsletter verifies that Drake was still a resident of Murray-Weigel Hall as recently as the fall of 2006. The building is on the Fordham campus and is owned by the New York Province.

http://www.fordhamobserver.com/fordham-apologizes-to-alleged-abuse-victim-after-years-of-evasions-1.1098030

If you had a rapist by definiton a person of violence as being seen in the vicinity of a victim wouldnt you say "oh we have a possible suspect who was living on the campus of Patrick McNeill?"

Well there is .

Anonymous said...

re above
And seeing as that accused rapist of males has been living on that campus all that time-what kind of assocaites did he have........? company did he keep?
must have had some other freinds maybe of similar tastes , interests,dispositions etc..etc...

It has been called "THE NETWORK"

Anonymous said...

more perps in fordham

Fordham University Accused of Harboring Molestors

They are exactly like the Mafia in casually destroying lives without thinking twice and re-traumatizing their victims over and over, caring only about preserving their wealth, power and secrets, with one critical difference - the Mafia has a code of honor and the Jesuits, Fordham U., Fordham Prep and the NY Archdiocese have none

http://reform-network.net/?p=2201

Anonymous said...

ie JESUIT RUN FORDHAM UNIVERSITY THE UNIVERSITY OF Patrick McNeill


LETTER TO THE EDITOR OF THE NEW YORK TIMES


It is unconscionable that the leadership of any religious congregation would allow known sexual predators to reside on the campus of any school without taking the steps necessary to make it known both to the student body and the general public, “Jesuit School Sheltered Molesters, Groups Say,” (10/22/08).

http://reform-network.net/?p=2144

Anonymous said...

Patrick McNeill had Fly larvae found on his body/groin.

one possible reason if he was alive or unconscious while the larvae was put there.


Fly larvae helps to heal wounds quicker
Long ago, some doctors noticed soldiers that had maggots on their wounds healed quicker than those without maggots. Maggots eat the dead skin cells and bacteria. Maggot Therapy (also known as Maggot Debridement Therapy (MDT), larval therapy, larva therapy, or larvae therapy) is the intentional introduction of live, disinfected maggots or fly larvae into non-healing skin or soft tissue wounds of a human or other animal. This practice was widely used before the discovery of antibiotics, as it serves to clean the dead tissue within a wound in order to promote healing.

Anonymous said...

Craig Allen Frear
# Missing Since: June 27, 2004 from Scotia, New York
# Classification: Endangered Missing
# Date Of Birth: October 14, 1986
# Age: 17 years old


Possible connection?
(Scotia, New York, is approximately 30 miles southwest of Saratoga Springs )


He started in 2004 the boys would be 17 in 2008

SARATOGA COUNTY, N.Y. -- It's on a Saratoga County horse farm where investigators said breeder Donald Nitchman was sexually abusing teen boys.
capitalnews9.com
06-Oct-2008

Murphy said with the first boy telling state police, that led investigators to finding two others Nitchman is accused of abusing. Murphy said the incidents started in 2004 when the teens were 13. The indictment is for more than 400 abuse-related charges.

“It is really unprecedented number of counts in the indictment,” said Murphy. “Remember, this is over a four-year period and three separate victims.”

SARATOGA COUNTY -- A Schuylerville man accused of molesting three young boys is facing hundreds of charges. Donald Nitchman, 48, was indicted Monday on 455 counts including criminal sexual act and sexual misconduct, among others charges. The Saratoga County District Attorney's

http://capitalnews9.com/default.aspx?ArID=125516

Anonymous said...

My more recent efforts of the catholic theory came about through obvious unfinished investigation in regard to the cases.

The elaborate theories on numbers like 13 and various graffiti and smiley faces etc may be part of the killer(s) deliberate attempt to scuffer the actual trail to what and who he /they really is. are .

If the killer(s) are truly clever they will disguise there cultural background through just such things as graffiti, and confuse the case trail by idiosyncratic puzzles.
All this is only to set their true ID and backround miles apart from the profile THEY HAVE CREATED OF THEMSELVES TO THE PPUZZLEMENT OF NETWORLD AND MEDIA
IT MAKES A GOOD STORY DOESNT IT?
And it ensures no one would consider the actual perps part of the youth culture/zodiac style HIP murder mystery gang of the smiley killers.

My theory on the preists is based upon practical tangible evidences and profiles to do with the cases, not zodiac stlye puzzles and smiley faces.
i think we can all too easily fall for that distracted by that, i certainly was with my yelloh theories. But i think its time we all start looking at real evidecne and real connections.

Jens Hegg said...

This last explosion of comments on this thread illustrates why police are employed to do this investigative work and you are not. Aside from the ranting of Young Earth Creationists I have rarely seen this level of wild conjecture and crackpot theories bandied about with such abandon.

Logic is a tool, use it!

Anonymous said...

the last comment was utterly devoid of any merit.


LIST OF POSITIVELY IDENTIFIED CATHOLIC STUDENTS OR STUDENTS THAT HAD POSITIVELY CONFIRMED CATHOLIC CONNECTIONS
FOUND AND
NOT FOUND

Brian Carrick
Johnsburg, IL
17-year-old
MISSING: 12/20/02

It was Christmas, Brian was seen walking into the Johnsburg, Ill., grocery store where he worked. Some reports say the teen was spotted on his way to a video store near his home.

Carrick has not been seen since.

Brian Carrick's mother, Terry Carrick, said in November 2003 that family members planned a memorial service for Brian at St. John the Baptist Catholic Church in Johnsburg for December 20, 2003 -- the anniversary of his disappearance.

Kyle Fleischmann, 24
graduated in 2002 from Charlotte Catholic High School
and in 2006 from Elon University
where he majored in business administration
Last seen: 11/9/07, Buckhead Saloon
(201 E 5th St.,Charlotte, North Carolina)
STILL MISSING: Kyle is still missing.


Chad Sharon
found in February, 2003
in the St. Joseph River in South Bend, Ind.
PROTESTANT BUT ATTENDED University of Notre Dame WI.

Christopher Jenkins
University of Minnesota student
MISSING: 10/31/02 Minneapolis, MN
FOUND: 2/27/03 Mississippi River
Cause of Death: Apparent Drowning
19. Chris Jenkins, 21 (MN)
Pax Christi Church, Eden Prairie, MN
(Catholic)


Note:
Chris Jenkins did not attend st johns.
YET
TWO STUDENT CONNECTION -----------------St. John's University campus in Collegeville, Minnesota



Chris Jenkins' parents Steve and Jan Jenkins hired private investigator Chuck Loesch.

Loesch said two different sets of bloodhounds took handlers to the same parking area. Both traced Chris Jenkins' scent from the bar where he was last seen to a nearby underground garage.

"The dog took us into the parking area," Loesch said. "The dog took us down to these stalls here. Both dogs did. One was within five days of Chris missing, six days. The second was about three to four weeks later."

The bloodhounds indicate Jenkins got into a car, which headed west on Interstate 94.

"I think Chris was either abducted or walked into a position where he was murdered," Loesch said.

Bloodhounds

A bloodhound found both Josh Guimond and Christopher Jenkins' scent at the university. On December 31, 2002, authorities were refused entrance to the campus monastery, then, on January 14, 2003 they were granted permission into the abby. Reportedly the dog picked up "definite scent activity with both boys but it was stronger with Josh."


Joshua Guimond
20-year-old from Maple Lake, Minn
MISSING: 11/9/02
STILL MISSING
Joshua has never been seen since.

20. Michael Noll, 22 (WI)
3/29/2003
Resurrection Church, Rochester, MN
(Catholic)

47. Josh Szostak, 21 (NY)
4/26/2008
St. Pius X Church, Loudonville NY
(Catholic)


44. Abel Bolanos, 19 (IA)
4/9/2007
St. Colette Church, Rolling Meadows, IL
(Catholic)

40. Lucas Homan, 21 (WI)
10/5/2006
St. John Vianney Church, Brookfield WI
(Catholic)
buried Holy Cross Cemetery.

42. Nick Rossini, 21 (MN)
4/28/2007
Saint Mary of the Lake Church, White Bear Lake MN
(Catholic)


39. Max Walker, 26 (WI)
former St. Ambrose University Davenport Iowa
(Catholic U.)
from Davenport Iowa, family in Lincoln NE

24. Jared Dion, 21 (WI)
4/20/2004
St. Charles Catholic Church, Hartland WI
(Catholic)


27. Chris Olberding, 18 (OH)
10/11/2004
Our Lady of Victory Church, Cincinatti, OH
(Catholic)

34. Patrick Kycia, 19 (MN)
10/3/2005
St. Michael's Catholic Church, Stillwater, MN
(Catholic)

28. Adam Falcon, 20 (NY)
11/27/2004
St. Patrick's Church, Victor NY
(Catholic)


09. Trevor Hoheisel, 27 (IL)
3/14/1998
St. Mary's Church, Waverly, MN
(Catholic)
see: http://www.herald-journal.com/obits/...eisel0398.html


06. Ryan Getz, 21 (MI)
4/24/1998
Immaculate Conception Church, Lapeer, MI
(Catholic)
Mt. Loretto Cemetery,
site: http://www.lapeercatholic.org/
see: http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/..._useweights=no


05. Anthony Skifton, 19 (WI)
10/14/1997
St. James The Less Catholic Church, LaCrosse WI
(Catholic)
site: http://www.saintjameschurch.net/
see: http://www.lacrossetribune.com/river...s/skifton3.php

48 .Dan Zamlen, 19
Hometown: Eveleth, MN
College: University of St. Thomas, St. Paul

19 CONFIRMED CATHOLIC 1 because of strong connection notre dam univ WI.

Anonymous said...

Most of those below will have INTER FAITH DIALOGUE WITH THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IN THESE DAYS OF APOSTACY


ONE ALIVE
35. Cullen Fortney, 21 (WI) Alive
religion unknown

OTHER FAITHS

43. Wade Steffey, 19 (IN)
Evangelical Community Church, Bloomington, IN
(Christian, non-denominational, Rabbi presided)

46. Christopher Melancon, 24 (WI)
10/1/2007
Christ the King Baptist Church, Milwaukee WI
(Baptist)

37. Scott Radel, 21 (MN)
3/11/6 The Associated Church in Owatonna
(Presbyterian Church and United Church of Christ)
Owatonna Memorial Gardens.

30. Josh Snell, 22 (WI)
6/12/2005
Berea Evangelical Lutheran Church, Inver Grove Heights MN
(Protestant)

33. Matt Kruziki, 24 (IA)
Hartland WI, Waukesha County
Church & Chapel Funeral Home, Waukesha WI
(non-sectarian= PRODESTANT)

36. Kenji Ohmi, 20 (WI)
funeral in (Kyoto?) Japan
religion unknown
(LIKELY CATHOLIC IMO)


18. Craig Burrows, 23 (WI)
10/8/2002
Lutheran Church of the Good Shepherd, Eu Claire, WI
(Protestant)
Lakeview Cemetery


15. Ryan Katcher, 19 (IL)
8/2/2006
First Baptist Church, Danville IL
(Baptist)
see: http://www.commercial-news.com/archi...209234659.html

10. Jeffrey Geesey, 21 (WI)
5/1999
Grace Baptist Church, Plover WI
(Baptist)
see: http://www.lacrossetribune.com/river...es/geesey2.php

14. Brian Welzien, 21 (IL)
3/2000
Apostolic Christian Church, Elgin IL
(Baptist)


07. Nathan Kapfer, 19 (WI)
4/13/1998
Our Savior Lutheran Church, Glendive MT
(Protestant)
Dawson Memorial Cemetary, Glendive MT
see: http://members.tripod.com/~wittygal/nathan.html

Anonymous said...

heres a man that knows his onions

http://www.vanceholmes.com/court/trial_missing_students.html

Anonymous said...

known perps being protected kinda makes me suspicious especially when the scent of two missing men leads right too their very door!!
And catholics having their relgious items ripped from around their knecks and drwoned kinda makes me think someone doesnt want these relgious chains to be connected to the men.

Logical enough........?????


Logical enough for you?

Jens Hegg said.??????
I quess it will not be so.
Nothing will ever be enough for people like you.

Anonymous said...

Also Logic again for those who so easily dismiss the bloodhounds.
ACCORDING TO THE REPORT.


Chris Jenkins' parents Steve and Jan Jenkins hired private investigator Chuck Loesch.

Loesch said two different sets of bloodhounds took handlers to the same parking area. Both traced Chris Jenkins' scent from the bar where he was last seen to a nearby underground garage.

The very bloOdhounds that lead to THE POLICE RETURNING A VERDICT OF HOMOCIDE IN cHRIS'S CASE
ARE THE ONES WHO ALSO LEAD TO THE ST JOHNS ABBEY DOOR with BOTH Chris's and Josh's scent.

SO WHAT ABOUT THE blood HOUNDS NOW ?
THE POLICE SEEMED TO TRUST THEM ENOUGH TO CHANGE THE VERDICT.

DIFFERENT STORY FOR ST JOHNS THOUGH ISNT IT!

WHY!!!!!!
SAME DOGS!!
different collars thats why
SOME GOT WHITE ONES.

Anonymous said...

Explanatation of why the bloodhounds used to track Chris jenkins and Josh Guimond have to be credible if the polices new verdict of homocide for the Chris Jenkins case is justified..



The bloodhounds used to track Chris jenkins that found his scent at the "PARKING GARAGE " also found both chris's and joshua's scent at ST JOHNS ABBEY , even though chris had nothing to do with ST JOHNS.


The new york detectives were given information BY A SOURCE that chris jenkins was taken to a cargo van in the "PARKING GARAGE" where part of the feather was found.

According to those reports, it was part of the gang which confronted him outside "THE PARKING GARAGE",

"bloodhound found both Josh Guimond and Christopher Jenkins' scent at the university .On December 31, 2002, authorities were refused entrance to the campus monastery, then, on January 14, 2003 they were granted permission into the abby.

Reportedly the dog picked up "definite scent activity with both boys but it was stronger with Josh."

.


The police overturned the accidental drowning verdict for chris jenkins based upon all this evidence .

The bloodhounds used by those searching led them to the " GARAGE"where the feather from chris's costume was identified and the hound led them to the ABBY at st johns also and the SOURCE confirmed all this with his INFORMATION.

The work of the dogs backed up the sources info.
The police have changed the verdict of the chris jenkins case to homocide based upon this evidence.
Yet the st johns ABBY evidence WHICH WAS PART OF THE WORK OF THE SAME HOUNDS THAT GATHERED AND COLABARATED WITH THE OTHER SOURCES
EVIDENCE - THAT LED TO THE HOMICIDE VERDICT FOR CHRIS JENKINS

ST JOHNS ABBY EVIDENCE STRUCK and the investigation closed without any defendable explanation given.
EVEN THOUGH THE VERDICT FOR CHRIS JENKINS IS HOMOCIDE

Anonymous said...

"We are doing this because there's enough significant evidence pointing to foul play, pointing to murder, and if the MPD is not helping us," Chris' father, Steve Jenkins, said.

So the Jenkinses hired private investigator Chuck Loesch. He's been on the case since Jenkins disappeared. Loesch said two different sets of bloodhounds made a remarkable discovery -- both traced Chris' scent from the Lone Tree bar where he was last seen to a deserted underground garage nearby.

"The dog took us into the parking area," Loesch said. "The dog took us down to these stalls here," Both dogs did. One was within five days of Chris missing, six days. The second was about three to four weeks later," Loesch said.

"Two totally different dogs took you to the same parking space?" 12 News investigative reporter Colleen Henry asked.

"Right," Loesch said.


the bloodhound indicated Jenkins got into a car, which headed west on Interstate 94.

"I think Chris was either abducted or walked into a position where he was murdered," Loesch said.


Loesch's investigation expanded when two other college students disappeared in the next nine days. Three days after Jenkins, 80 miles east on I-94, University of Wisconsin-Eau Claire senior Michael Noll disappeared after leaving a college bar.

Six days after that, 50 miles northwest of Minneapolis, St. John's University junior Josh Guimond vanished after leaving a card party on campus.


In the next two months, from South Bend to Sheboygan, three other college-aged men disappeared under similar circumstances. All eventually turned up in nearby lakes or rivers, all but Guimond, who's still missing a year later



Josh Guimond
"My feeling is that Josh Guimond is the key to understanding things. If we could find his body, we could unravel things," Loesch said.


WISN 12 News obtained police reports indicating that six weeks before Jenkins disappeared, Minneapolis police arrested the man after he dialed 911 and demanded police send the FBI to his home to profile him or he'd go on a killing spree.


"He stated that he would then kill them by suffocating them, drowning or burning them," Henry read from the police report.

"Those are my three favorites," the man said.

"So you have a thing for college aged guys?" Henry asked.

"I was arrested for prostitution prior to all this, back in 1988, so I've been around like 200 or 300 men doing massages and that sort of thing. But yeah," the man said.

"Do you know that six weeks after you told police that, a bunch of college-aged guys started disappearing?" Henry asked.

"Oh, well, I don't know what you want me to say. Did they catch the person that did it or what was it?" the man said.

"Did you ever hear of a kid named Chris Jenkins? He was wearing an Indian costume." Henry asked.

"Yeah," the man answered.

"Yeah, what?" Henry asked.

"Yeah, I swear I've never heard that name or had anything to do with that person. I haven't," the man said.
THIS MAN WAS PAID TO SAY THAT
HE IS I BELIEVE A COVER.

Hoover's handlers, a search-and-rescue team from Wisconsin called Keeping Tracks, volunteered their efforts. They said they plan to stay on the hunt as long as the dog finds scents, and a human scent can linger for up to two months, the television station reported
search and rescue dogs are not unreliable THEY ARE TRAINED FOR JUST THAT JOB.

"The level of evil we are dealing with here
is rampant. It's deep and it's widespread."
-- Jan Jenkins, mother of Chris Jenkins


In 2006, the Minneapolis Police Department was confronted with new evidence and forced to admit they'd made "assumptions that led them to miss things" which resulted in a series of dreadful mistakes.


Chief Dolan and his investigators may or may not ever solve this four-year old homicide, but the conspiracy theories and nonsense can finally be laid to rest. The many mistaken voices of denial and derision have been silenced, and at long last Chris Jenkins has been afforded a measure of dignity.

In an interview, Jan Jenkins looked upward saying "Chris, today it's your voice that is being heard."
YET EVIL STILL STALKS ITS FOUL STINKING BREATH HOLDS ITS GRIP ON POWER WITH WICKED VILE DECEPTION AND TALK OF LOVE.


St. John's has also challenged the father of a student who, two years ago, mysteriously disappeared after attending a party on campus. The loving, balanced, humane folks at the university demanded Brian Guimond stay off their property or face arrest from Stearns County authorities.

Not that the Order of St. Benedict had anything to hide, mind you -- it's just that Mr. Guimond was upsetting all that listening, worshipping and embracing when he'd repeatedly visit the school looking for answers about his missing child, Josh.

Michael Hemmesch, a spokesperson for St. John's, insisted the flesh was willing. "We have continued to discuss, through Mr. Guimond's attorney, an out-of-court settlement," he said, "or a resolution to this matter out of court." Unfortunately, the spirit at SJU was weak and quickly worn-out by Brian Guimond's dogged determination. For a year, the school has held a restraining order against him.

Just as St. John's was about to have their loving values reviewed in a court of law, announcement came that a settlement had been reached.

Of course, the devil's in the details.

Josh Guimond's dad says the on-going dispute with the Order of St. Benedict about his visits to St. John's has ended. He says he now feels there is no legal order preventing him from going to the campus to continue the private investigation of his son's disappearance.

Stearns County Sheriff, John Sanner, feels differently. Sanner told reporters, as far as he's concerned, if Brian Guimond goes to the college campus without an escort to look for answers about his missing boy -- he will promptly be put in jail.

Having carefully cultivated the art of listening, I'm sure St. John's University can hear concerned parents in Stearns County, in the state of Minnesota, and all over the country saying, "IF THAT WERE MY CHILD -- NOTHING AND NOBODY COULD STOP ME FROM LOOKING FOR HIM."

"You don't just vanish into thin air," said Brian Guimond. "Somebody knows something."

Whether somebody on that campus is hiding information about the missing student has yet to be determined, but based on the treatment Mr. Guimond has endured -- God knows -- something is terribly wrong at St. John's University.

http://www.vanceholmes.com/court/trial_missing_2.html

Anonymous said...

There are pros and cons to the theory.

Smiley faces may be common but...
There were 13 symbols found and several of the smiley faces had horns

Some young men had drank a lot but
not all of them did.Some would have been within the legal limit to drive

There are a lot of drunk college students along the I 90-94 corridor but..
You would also expect there to be more similar cases in other parts of the country but not to the same degree. Also some of the drownings and disappearances were within a short time frame.There were 4 disappearances of young men in 2 months ,less than 100 miles from ST Paul.Chris Jenkins was one of them and his drowning is being investigated as a homicide.Joshua Guimond disappeared at this time so we can't say if there are or not any signs of foul play,because his body was never found.Even if it was ,could we believe LE? How do we know that they once again started with an opinion then gave us the facts as they see it? but ..
I don't see how the claim can be made that 40 or more may be linked,even when the other spikes in drownings are take into consideration,but...

We were not given all the information .A spike in the number of drownings of young men in an area could be an indication of a killer,but... that would not necessarily mean they were all murdered,but who can say for a fact they were not murdered?

There tended to be no sign of foul play but
The same was thought about Chris Jenkins drowning.It seems as though there were sometimes assumptions made and sometimes LE started with an opinion and then told us what the facts were,rather than gather the facts and then form an opinion.They would have you believe that a young man known to be terrified of water,fell in while relieving himself.They would have you believe young men fell in the water accidentaly,somewhere near the bar they were at.In some cases this would involve climbing over a fence. It was also LE that that called Patrick McNeil's death an accident despite a ligature mark around his neck and fly larvae on his groin area.Another LE theory is the young man was hot so he went in a river to cool down despite it being late fall or winter..

Should we believe LE that decided after the disappearances along the I 90-94 corridor not to give the cases priority or the detectives with the sfk theory that went to over 30 cities and investigated more than 80 drownings?

LE has not shown that they did an adequate investigation and the detectives have not shown that 40 drownings can be linked.We do not have access to all the police reports and autopsies and the people that did them.We do not have access to all the information Gannon and Gilbertson have gathered.

mrxxxxx said...

I posted pics side by side here because some victims look alike.

http://mrxxxxx.wordpress.com/

wolfheart1 said...

Who would want to kill young men in the US and in their prime.
1. Homosexual intent. Perhaps however I would imagine it to be difficult getting a group of

like minded homosexuals together to commit a crime such as this... and yes it would take

more than one individual to pull somthing like this off.

2. Enraged female group... Somehow I feel this to be unlikely... I'm sure this would go

without explanation.

3. lastly the group who I feel would be most likely to commit these crimes against young

men in the US would be those that the US are actually at war with.. or have a long standing

dispute.. Iran ETC.

Imagine this... Take your most ruthless serial criminals Clear their record send them to

the US with clear instructions to target males who fit the qualification to join the

military. This can be done in mass... and it would essentially "bring the war home"
to the US... which has never really been done before except for 9/11...

The smiley face... Is that not an online emicon... Use a Fixed google footprint to target

Islamic websites for specific keywords...
"drowning", "cities or lakes involved", "names of the victims?" you get the idea....

Use scrapebox... It harvests 10s of though sands of URLS from google
with a footprint mentioned above. Use Proxies...

Scrapebox is a spamming software for $57 Like i said it harvests forum urls with given
Keywords...

You may find your Killers that way... if you "Think outside the box"

May the lord and Lady Bless you

Lol here's my captcha to post a comment

"paceni"

Peace....

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